Tour de France 2025 route rumours and announcements

[Rob5091]

what climb is that?

The rankings I have seen of Finestre (albeit more than 10 years ago) puts it well harder than Mortirolo, Zoncolon, and Angliru. Mainly due to the length, the constant gradient providing no rest, as well as the final 8km being gravel. The climb you posted likely would be harder, however

Babadag in Turkey. Raced last year in Tour of Turkey-

 

[Red Rick]

Two good ways to order a route with both Finestre and Granon, one south to north, one north to south;

Stage n: ??? - Gap (obligatory if they enter the Alps from the south)
Stage n+1: Embrun or Gap - Granon (Vars, Izoard)
Stage n+2: Briançon - Sestrière (Galibier, Mont Cenis, Finestre)
(transfer through the Fréjus tunnel)
Stage n+3: Modane or Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne - somewhere further north in the Alps

Stage n: ??? - Granon (Galibier)
Stage n+1: Briançon - Sestrière (either the same route as in the previous example, or if you don't want to double up on climbs, Izoard, Montgenèvre, Finestre)
Stage n+2: Pinerolo - southern French Alps (e.g. Lombarde - Bonette - Jausiers finish like in 2008)

Vars, Izoard, Granon would be great, though I would not be surprised if they skip Vars in that case.

My dream Finestre stage is with Sestriere, Montgenevre and downhill finish in Briancon.

IMO 2018 showed the difference in how hard you need to make the race before Finestre.

 

[Netserk]

My dream Finestre stage is with Sestriere, Montgenevre and downhill finish in Briancon.

I’d like that too, but I think a finish at Montgenèvre is more practical.

 

[gavia88]

Vars, Izoard, Granon would be great, though I would not be surprised if they skip Vars in that case.

My dream Finestre stage is with Sestriere, Montgenevre and downhill finish in Briancon.

IMO 2018 showed the difference in how hard you need to make the race before Finestre.

Val d'Isere - Briancon would definitely be a fantastic design for the queen stage indeed (Iseran, Mont Cenis, Finestre, Sestriere,Montgenevre + uphill Briancon). Even more if they do the Giro finish in Briancon.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Val d'Isere - Briancon would definitely be a fantastic design for the queen stage indeed (Iseran, Mont Cenis, Finestre, Sestriere,Montgenevre + uphill Briancon). Even more if they do the Giro finish in Briancon.

They also use that Briançon finish sometimes in the Dauphiné, e.g. in 2009. I seem to recall some discussion at the time about how the larger caravan etc. requirements made it off-limits to the Tour and so they had to use the main road route in like in 2007, but new changes have meant that the Tour is better able to service finishes in tighter areas so it may have changed and that finish be possible now.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

They also use that Briançon finish sometimes in the Dauphiné, e.g. in 2009. I seem to recall some discussion at the time about how the larger caravan etc. requirements made it off-limits to the Tour and so they had to use the main road route in like in 2007, but new changes have meant that the Tour is better able to service finishes in tighter areas so it may have changed and that finish be possible now.

The real problem with the Briançon finish is that they've completely overhauled the area in which they finished (Tour, Giro and Dauphiné alike), which means you now need to block the only through road completely to finish above the citadel.

 

[Netserk]

The real problem with the Briançon finish is that they've completely overhauled the area in which they finished (Tour, Giro and Dauphiné alike), which means you now need to block the only through road completely to finish above the citadel.

Coming from Montgenèvre, they'd probably have to finish on the outskirts like in 2005.

 

[fabriziobernardi]

They also can do a
-Val d'Isere - Sestriere (Iseran, Mont-Cenis, Finestre, Sestriere)
(short transfer through Tunnel de Frejus)
-Modane - Granon (Telegraphe, Galibier, Granon)

Or
-Val d'Isere - Sestriere (Iseran, Mont-Cenis, Finestre, Sestriere)
-Pinerolo-Granon (Agnello, Izoard, Granon)

 

[houtdffan]

Or
-Val d'Isere - Sestriere (Iseran, Mont-Cenis, Finestre, Sestriere)
-Pinerolo-Granon (Agnello, Izoard, Granon)

why do routes that include the Isearn only include half the climb?

Why not the entire Iseran?

 

[fabriziobernardi]

why do routes that include the Isearn only include half the climb?

Why not the entire Iseran?

Ok, if they start in Bourg saint Maurice personally I won't complain

 

[gavia88]

why do routes that include the Isearn only include half the climb?

Why not the entire Iseran?

Because that happened most of the times before when the used the Iseran from this side

 

[Froome]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1794781688557621524

View: https://x.com/inrng/status/1794781688557621524


Visit to Italy should mean Colle delle Finestre.

 

[Gigs_98]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1794781688557621524

View: https://x.com/inrng/status/1794781688557621524


Visit to Italy should mean Colle delle Finestre.

No way Pogacar returning to the Giro is a done deal yet...right?

 

[Froome]

No way Pogacar returning to the Giro is a done deal yet...right?

I don't know, maybe they will pay him well to be there again.

I believe more in Finestre in the Tour since it was a rumour some time ago.

 

[Netserk]

No way Pogacar returning to the Giro is a done deal yet...right?

It's Beppe Conti ...

At best, it's an indication that RCS would offer him a bag once again.

 

[Red Rick]

If RCS thinks this was a success I don't see why they wouldn't go for it again. And for Pogacar I don't see why he wouldn't do it again either, apart from Rwanda worlds making Giro/Tour less appealing.

Could also have been a multi year contract but I dunno

 

[Gigs_98]

If RCS thinks this was a success I don't see why they wouldn't go for it again. And for Pogacar I don't see why he wouldn't do it again either, apart from Rwanda worlds making Giro/Tour less appealing.

Could also have been a multi year contract but I dunno

I would guess Pogacar probably wants to do cobbles classics again at some point and that doesn't work well with Giro-Tour. And of course doing the Giro makes winning the Tour insanely hard if your main rival doesn't severely injure himself. Really thought this would be a one off.

If this is true then please god please, let them bring Vingegaard to the Giro too. This domination was alright as a one off. I don't ever want to see it again.

 

[Froome]

I would guess Pogacar probably wants to do cobbles classics again at some point and that doesn't work well with Giro-Tour. And of course doing the Giro makes winning the Tour insanely hard if your main rival doesn't severely injure himself. Really thought this would be a one off.

If this is true then please god please, let them bring Vingegaard to the Giro too. This domination was alright as a one off. I don't ever want to see it again.

I don't think Vingegaard or Roglic will do the Giro next year, but i can see Remco evenepoel doing the Giro next year.

 

[Gigs_98]

I don't think Vingegaard or Roglic will do the Giro next year, but i can see Remco evenepoel doing the Giro next year.

Then they should do 100km of flat TTing before hitting the alps so people can pretend there is a battle for pink going on.

 

[Red Rick]

I would guess Pogacar probably wants to do cobbles classics again at some point and that doesn't work well with Giro-Tour. And of course doing the Giro makes winning the Tour insanely hard if your main rival doesn't severely injure himself. Really thought this would be a one off.

If this is true then please god please, let them bring Vingegaard to the Giro too. This domination was alright as a one off. I don't ever want to see it again.

I doubt they're an affordable combo package.

I don't really understand how it works with starting fees tbh, cause we only ever hear about it from the Giro and then criteriums. But Pogacar should be by far the most expensive to get, so they sort of buy an uncompetitive race this way?

I remember Froome getting a heap in 2018, but I don't remember Dumoulin being mentioned for a starting fee. And similarly I don't remember Roglic being mentioned in related to a starting fee in 2023.

All in all it leans into my suspicion that Giro/Tour isn't perceived to be as crazy/impossible as it was 15 years ago. That or Pogacar wants to farm the Vuelta in 2025.

As for the cobbles, the way Pogacar has talked about Roubaix makes me think he'll try that *** towards the end of his career rather than soon.

 

[Gigs_98]

I doubt they're an affordable combo package.

I don't really understand how it works with starting fees tbh, cause we only ever hear about it from the Giro and then criteriums. But Pogacar should be by far the most expensive to get, so they sort of buy an uncompetitive race this way?

I remember Froome getting a heap in 2018, but I don't remember Dumoulin being mentioned for a starting fee. And similarly I don't remember Roglic being mentioned in related to a starting fee in 2023.

All in all it leans into my suspicion that Giro/Tour isn't perceived to be as crazy/impossible as it was 15 years ago. That or Pogacar wants to farm the Vuelta in 2025.

As for the cobbles, the way Pogacar has talked about Roubaix makes me think he'll try that *** towards the end of his career rather than soon.

Hm, Giro-Vuelta, with the Vuelta probably being the best preparation for the WCRR? It doesn't seem completely nonsensical but damn do I hope this won't happen. GTs would suck so badly.