Tour de France Tour de France 2025, Stage 18: Vif - Courchevel Col de La Loze(171.5k)

[red_flanders]

Some people keep repeating the nonsense that Jonas does not care about 2nd.
If this was true he would have attacked earlier on Madeleine and went full gas without looking back.
He clearly didn't want to explode because he wants his 2nd.

It's obviously a nuanced situation. He doesn't care is probably a bit strong, but he's certainly willing to risk it. He clearly is trying to win, not protect his place, by and large. Not really in the realm of "nonsense" to say he doesn't care about second, but it might be a bit...unequivocal...vs the reality of the situation.

 

[Pippo_San]

Of course if you don't have a great player you can't win, and this Vingo just can't beat Pog but man.
Talk about Rabofail.
These bees really are serving this Tour on a dish to Pog.
And what about that Red Bull epic fail? I would go on a tantrum directly on the bus and just punch them in the face I was the DS. Or I would just punch myself because this is pure lack of competence.

 

[Boehmand]

Lovely winners interview with O'Connor.

Netflix made him look like a whiny little xxxx - but he actually seems like a great guy.

 

[Danskebjerge]

Since we're probably not going to see Pogacar losing time from now on, we may well be looking at the Tdf with the biggest gap between 1st and 3rd in the GC since at least 1984. Back then, Greg LeMond finished 3rd at 11min 46sec.

 

[Unchained]

Heartbreak for Rubio!! Pog just clips, chips away!! Wow.. I thought Lipowitz lost it but squeezed it out over Onley..

 

[Rackham]

He is in a cruise mode. Actually this Pog is more scary than Pog of old.

I don't find Pog scary at all. Vingegaard meanwhile... did you see those glasses? + the nose thing he wears? The man looks dangerous in all the wrong ways.

 

[Psycat]

I like Ben O'Connor so happy for him, otherwise the stage was a total dud.

 

[noob]

A guy who never ever gets over a loss isn't a very likable guy.

 

[Boehmand]

Some people keep repeating the nonsense that Jonas does not care about 2nd.
If this was true he would have attacked earlier on Madeleine and went full gas without looking back.
He clearly didn't want to explode because he wants his 2nd.

I disagree

It's easy to play manager on a computer, it's harder on the road if you don't actually have the legs to make a difference.

 

[Rou]

It's obviously a nuanced situation. He doesn't care is probably a bit strong, but he's certainly willing to risk it. He clearly is trying to win, not protect his place, by and large. Not really in the realm of "nonsense" to say he doesn't care about second, but it might be a bit...unequivocal...vs the reality of the situation.

He obviously cares about his 2nd.
2nd in the Tour behind the best ever is a huge accomplishment for him and for his team.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Some people keep repeating the nonsense that Jonas does not care about 2nd.
If this was true he would have attacked earlier on Madeleine and went full gas without looking back.
He clearly didn't want to explode because he wants his 2nd.

Sure, but you also need the legs to do it. If you're not/don't think you're strong enough to get the gap, you'd just be throwing away second for no good reason.

 

[Miha81]

I don't find Pog scary at all. Vingegaard meanwhile... did you see those glasses? + the nose thing he wears? The man looks dangerous in all the wrong ways.

Not to mention unshaved. Bring Trine soon

 

[Salvarani]

True. I agree with you that it was a pretty stupid move. Just saying that it wasn't a bad ride if you ignore the consequences just from a performance perspective.

Again, that just means very little here.

 

[Rou]

I disagree

It's easy to play manager on a computer, it's harder on the road if you don't actually have the legs to make a difference.

The PC players are the two youtubers - especially Benji Naesen who repeats these stupid things like Jonas is willing to lose 2nd for the win.

 

[Rackham]

Some people keep repeating the nonsense that Jonas does not care about 2nd.
If this was true he would have attacked earlier on Madeleine and went full gas without looking back.
He clearly didn't want to explode because he wants his 2nd.

People are just quoting what Vingegaard himself said. Aka he said he was ready to risk losing second to win the TdF.

Clearly that didn't happen today. He could have launched it over Jorgenson on the Madeleine and turned it into man-versus-man on the descent.

 

[Unchained]

Of course if you don't have a great player you can't win, and this Vingo just can't beat Pog but man.
Talk about Rabofail.
These bees really are serving this Tour on a dish to Pog.
And what about that Red Bull epic fail? I would go on a tantrum directly on the bus and just punch them in the face I was the DS. Or I would just punch myself because this is pure lack of competence.

Bora can't figure out who's boss!! Lipo almost dropped into the toilet.. Close call.. But Visma have been confused from day one, minute one!! So many resources and so little to show!! And Vingegaard relegated to counter puncher , constant follower..waits, waits ,waits some more to discover that Tadej is superior in uphill sprints!!

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Again, that just means very little here.

Little in the context of the GC yes. Little in the context of something else? Then I don't understand what you mean.

 

[yaco]

Somehow, Jayco has managed to win the Queen Stage at the Giro and the TDF. You would have got good odds about these events.

 

[AnotherArmChair]

I am not saying Lipo rode smartly - he didnt ...but he has a team behind him and he is young...surely that is Bora's mistake

And also not calling Rog back on the final climb was a mistake and not a team efort

 

[JosefK]

Oscar Onley is only 22 years old and on the verge of making the podium. The trajectory is up.

 

[Salvarani]

Little in the context of the GC yes. Little in the context of something else? Then I don't understand what you mean.

But he is riding for GC.

You cant just ignore that.

 

[Rou]

People are just quoting what Vingegaard himself said. Aka he said he was ready to risk losing second to win the TdF.

Clearly that didn't happen today. He could have launched it over Jorgenson on the Madeleine and turned it into man-versus-man on the descent.

Vingegaard is saying the obvious things for the media.
He can't say anything else.

 

[AnotherArmChair]

A guy who never ever gets over a loss isn't a very likable guy.

who do you mean ????
who is that guy ?

 

[Salvarani]

Oscar Onley is only 22 years old and on the verge of making the podium. The trajectory is up.

Riding smart as well.

 

[Rou]

Rogla has the level for podium.
I would be pissed if he isn't third in Paris.