HiCadence said:The man is living proof that a clean rider CAN win Le Tour de France.
Yeah, he showers and everything.
HiCadence said:The man is living proof that a clean rider CAN win Le Tour de France.
Shardi said:1. Wiggins
2. Froome +1m24s
3. Van Garderen + 2m25s
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10. Nibali + 3m23s
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25. Van den Broeck +4m35s
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It's flat and open. Expect bigger timegaps than in the previous TT.
Wind will play a bigger role and lightweight climbers will loose more ground.
Wiggins will reveal why they ride solely for him in the tour.
JRanton said:Nice work.
HiCadence said:Loved the way Wiggins destroyed Froome and the rest, just goes to show why he is the team leader and if any climber had tried to put time into Wiggins in the mountains he would've crushed them all regardless.
Done the british people proud.
The man is living proof that a clean rider CAN win Le Tour de France.
guncha said:With such kind of performance in ITT I am wondering if two long ITT concept is applicable to TDF. Even with his best form Andy would have lost 4-5 min, Contador 2-3 min (possibly even more) to Wiggins in ITTs. It might have been impossible to balance it with proper mountain stages. If they are going to have two ITT next year then of them should short (+/- 25km) or uphill.
guncha said:With such kind of performance in ITT I am wondering if two long ITT concept is applicable to TDF. Even with his best form Andy would have lost 4-5 min, Contador 2-3 min (possibly even more) to Wiggins in ITTs. It might have been impossible to balance it with proper mountain stages. If they are going to have two ITT next year then of them should short (+/- 25km) or uphill.
guncha said:With such kind of performance in ITT I am wondering if two long ITT concept is applicable to TDF. Even with his best form Andy would have lost 4-5 min, Contador 2-3 min (possibly even more) to Wiggins in ITTs. It might have been impossible to balance it with proper mountain stages. If they are going to have two ITT next year then of them should short (+/- 25km) or uphill.
Bala Verde said:Velits was +1:59 on the first ITT
He is now +1 on LLS...
So I guess Sanchez will be at 2m or slightly less, because there is nothing at stake anymore...
extrapolation is most likely highly inaccurate![]()
Stage classification
1.WIGGINS B. 101SKY in 1:04:13
2.FROOME C. 105SKY in 1:05:29 at 01:16
3.SANCHEZ L. 155RAB in 1:06:03 at 01:50
4.VELITS P. 199OPQ in 1:06:15 at 02:02
rzombie1988 said:I don't see any problem with the amount of ITT km's. The problem is the riders. Past TDF's had alot more ITT's. If the riders aren't well rounded enough to handle it, it's their fault. Like always, the strongest wins. There weren't alot of MTF's or big mountains to gain time on, so it means people have to attack sooner and take more risks to get the win. If they don't, they lose and it's no one elses fault. This TDF should be a lesson for anyone who sucks at time trailing: Get better or lose.
will10 said:In past Tours when there has been a comparable amount of TTing, there has been more proper mountain stages to allow the climbers to take the time back. That has not been the case this year. The ASO will tell us x amount of HC and 1 cat climbs were in the Tour this year, but look at some of the placements of these climbs. The stages to Annonay and Foix were an absolute waste from a GC point of view.
This has been the tamest TdF route in recent history.
rzombie1988 said:I don't see any problem with the amount of ITT km's. The problem is the riders. Past TDF's had alot more ITT's. If the riders aren't well rounded enough to handle it, it's their fault. Like always, the strongest wins. There weren't alot of MTF's or big mountains to gain time on, so it means people have to attack sooner and take more risks to get the win. If they don't, they lose and it's no one elses fault. This TDF should be a lesson for anyone who sucks at time trailing: Get better or lose.
jsem94 said:Excellent post above.
My idea was that nowadays favorites are very equal in mountains (for instance, AS vs AC in 2010, Wiggins, Froome, Nibali in 2012, Contador's super attack on Verbier 09 brought him just 43 seconds on Shleck). Sastre on Alpe d'Huez 08 and AS on Galibier 11 were the only multiple minute attacks in high mountains in last five years.Dekker_Tifosi said:If they really want to balance 2 ITT's you should put 5 MTF's in and some seriously hard climbs as well. Ventoux, Alpe d'Huez aren't even enough. Put the Gran Colombier as finishing climb like in Ain...
Look at this years Tour l'Avenir (u23) profile, the MTF's there are harder than this years Tour!
guncha said:However, I am not convinced about anymore and with 2 ITTs Wiggins will be main favorite regardless the difficulty of mountain stages.
Which this Tour's parcours have not feautured in both examples.Libertine Seguros said:T
- decrease time trial mileage so that the gaps aren't as big from that
- increase difficulty of MTFs (see introduction of climbs like Angliru, Zoncolán, Finestre and Bola del Mundo in recent years), however this has been countered in two of the three GTs by a decrease in willingness to put hard multi-mountain stages together
- adding a 'bonus' challenge, like strade bianche or cobbles