Tour de l'Ain 2012 (2.1) 7-11 Aug

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roundabout said:
Maybe. But right now he is climbing as well as Bonnafond, Bagot and Guillou.
Yes if you say so, but fact is we don´t know how much effort he put into it, if he´s preparing he´s not gonna dig deep, yesterday he was probably trying the legs out and they looked pretty good to me, he already said it yesterday, no deffence of the jersey today, I think it´s obvious this is preparation only, and nothing else.
 
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roundabout said:
Maybe. But right now he is climbing as well as Bonnafond, Bagot and Guillou.
True but he had yesterday a tough day.

And if he can do it a few times for Contador in the vuelta it's enough.

He doesn't need to be consistent every day.

But it doesn't matter, if Contador is at 95 % he doesn't need a very strong team. He proved that enough.
 
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GC Standings before the last stage:

1 TALANSKY Andrew GRS USA les 563.2 km en 13h16'03'' (moy. 42.46 km/h)
2 PARDILLA BELLON Sergio MOV ESP 12''
3 NAVARRO Daniel STB ESP 38''
4 CHRISTENSEN Mads STB DEN 01'03''
5 * OLIVIER Daan RB3 NED 01'08''
6 COPPEL Jérôme SAU FRA 01'17''
7 BONNAFOND Guillaume ALM FRA 01'21''
8 BAGOT Yoann COF FRA 01'31''
9 PAUWELS Serge OPQ BEL 01'37''
10 * CHAMORRO CHITAN Juan Ernesto COL COL 01'54''
11 * LUTSENKO Alexey AST KAZ 02'09''
12 PERICHON Pierre-Luc LPM FRA 02'50''
13 BRANDLE Matthias APP AUT 03'10''
14 LE BOULCH Dimitri AUB FRA 03'19''
15 QUEMENEUR Perrig EUC FRA 04'40''
16 * BOVENHUIS Jasper RB3 NED 04'49''
17 CATALDO Dario OPQ ITA 05'43''
18 PINEAU Cédric FDJ FRA 06'27''
19 MAES Nikolas OPQ BEL 12'18''
20 LINDEMAN Bertjan VCD NED 18'36''
21 MAJKA Rafal STB POL 22'13''
22 INTXAUSTI ELORRIAGA Benat MOV ESP 22'40''
23 GADRET John ALM FRA 23'23''
24 GUILLOU Florian BSC FRA 23'24''
25 * LAMMERTINK Maurits VCD NED 23'36''
26 * BARGUIL Warren FRA FRA 23'37''
27 HERNANDEZ BLAZQUEZ Jesus STB ESP '
28 KREDER Michel GRS NED 23'53''
29 PLAZA Ruben MOV ESP 24'00''
30 SELVAGGI Mirko VCD ITA 24'02''
31 * FOMINYKH Daniil AST KAZ 24'05''
32 BUFFAZ Mickaël COF FRA 24'17''
33 * BARDET Romain ALM FRA 24'19''
34 * LAVIEU Antoine FRA FRA 24'24''
35 KARPETS Vladimir MOV RUS 13h40'38'' 24'35''
36 * VAN DER LIJKE Nick RB3 NED 24'52''
37 * EZQUERRA Jesus LET ESP '
38 * HOFLAND Moreno RB3 NED 24'53''
39 KERN Christophe EUC FRA 24'54''
40 DURET Sébastien BSC FRA 24'59''
41 LE MEVEL Christophe GRS FRA 25'02''
42 * TARRIDE Grégoire LPM FRA 25'09''
43 * TEGUEL Erwan FRA FRA 25'26''
44 RUIJGH Rob VCD NED 25'32''
45 MARCZYNSKI Tomasz VCD POL 25'42''
46 LEMOINE Cyril SAU FRA 26'01''
47 KERN Julian LET GER '
48 JUMABEKOV Nazar AST KAZ 26'05''
49 FAUCON Guillaume AUB FRA 26'48''
50 UMERBEKOV Nikita AST KAZ 26'54''
51 MAASKANT Martijn GRS NED 26'57''
52 * DOMONT Axel FRA FRA 26'58''
53 TRONET Steven AUB FRA 27'08''
54 * HIRT Jan LET CZE 27'35''
55 ROSSETTO Stéphane FRA FRA 28'03''
56 PLIUSCHIN Alexandr LET MDA 28'06''
57 ROLLAND Pierre EUC FRA 28'12''
58 TAARAMAE Rein COF EST 28'16''
59 MONCOUTIE David COF FRA '
60 * KAMYSHEV Arman AST KAZ 28'28''
61 THIRE Jonathan AUB FRA 28'34''
62 GUSTOV Volodymir STB UKR 28'55''
63 CHARTEAU Anthony EUC FRA 29'05''
64 BERTHOU Eric BSC FRA '
65 * SALAZAR Hugo Sebastian COL COL 29'24''
66 FONSECA Armindo BSC FRA 29'37''
67 MOLARD Rudy COF FRA '
68 BOUET Maxime ALM FRA 29'41''
69 MINARD Sébastien ALM FRA '
70 HUTAROVICH Yauheni FDJ BLR 29'58''
71 FERNANDEZ Koldo GRS ESP 30'06''
72 CIOLEK Gerald OPQ GER 30'07''
73 * PINOT Thibault FDJ FRA 30'14''
74 BARLE Florent COF FRA 30'18''
75 * VIMPERE Théo FRA FRA 30'32''
76 * RIVERA GUERRERO Ever Alexander COL COL 30'41''
77 CAUQUIL Yohan LPM FRA 30'49''
78 * ALAFACI Eugenio LET ITA 30'56''
79 * PAREDES César Nicolas COL COL 31'18''
80 FEDRIGO Pierrick FDJ FRA 31'22''
81 MANGEL Laurent SAU FRA 31'25''
82 WEGMANN Fabian GRS GER 31'49''
83 * BESCOND Jérémy COF FRA 32'41''
84 VANDEWALLE Kristof OPQ BEL 32'45''
85 BARTA Jan APP CZE 32'49''
86 BRUSEGHIN Marzio MOV ITA '
87 HERRADA Jose MOV ESP '
88 MOUREY Francis FDJ FRA 32'50''
89 * TURGIS Jimmy FRA FRA 32'55''
90 MINNAARD Marco RB3 NED 33'02''
91 MOMBAERTS Johan AUB FRA 33'21''
92 * JARAMILLO James de Jesus COL COL 34'12''
93 FEILLU Romain VCD FRA 34'41''
94 * KORETZKY Clément LPM FRA 34'58''
95 * KREDER Wesley RB3 NED 35'02''
96 GAUDIN Damien EUC FRA 13h52'13'' 36'10''
97 * ZEPUNTKE Ruben RB3 GER 37'37''
98 * FENN Andrew OPQ GBR 37'58''
99 RABON Frantisek OPQ CZE 13h54'20'' 38'17''
100 * ORJUELA GUTIERREZ Fernando COL COL 38'33''
101 * LEBON Johan BSC FRA 38'58''
102 VICHOT Arthur FDJ FRA 39'24''
103 JARC Blaz APP SLO 40'15''
104 HAEDO Lucas Sebastian STB ARG 40'17''
105 PETERSON Thomas GRS USA 40'25''
106 LEQUATRE Geoffroy BSC FRA 40'35''
107 SISKEVICIUS Evaldas LPM LTU 40'40''
108 BAZIN Nicolas AUB FRA 40'47''
109 SANZ Enrique MOV ESP 41'15''
110 BRAMBILLA Giorgio LET ITA '
111 HIVERT Jonathan SAU FRA 41'21''
112 SCHORN Daniel APP AUT 41'59''
113 REZA Kévin EUC FRA 42'41''
114 EICHLER Markus APP GER 43'04''
115 VAUBOURZEIX Thomas LPM FRA 43'45''
116 SHUSHEMOIN Alexandr AST KAZ 51'41''
117 * DASSONVILLE Flavien AUB FRA 52'49''

There's still bunch of guys who could win this since the last stage is no walk in park either.
 
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it saddens and horrifies me that 472 was allowed and above all decided themselves to go with their own team only to avenir.I hope the team will rot away after this very bad year. luisa deserves it. the team is a joke in this race. only chamorro is doing well considering he's not a huge talent
 
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Last stage win to Pinot - what a season for him already. Talansky managed to protect his yellow.
 

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Samson said:
Last stage win to Pinot - what a season for him already. Talansky managed to protect his yellow.
I begin to wonder if he´s better than Rolland...
France got some big names comming for the future.
 
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Fidolix said:
I begin to wonder if he´s better than Rolland...
France got some big names comming for the future.
He was in a breakaway with Rolland, and beat him comfortably, so based on this stage he is better ;)

In the Tour there wasn't much difference between the two. And Pinot is 4 years younger. So...
 
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GC

1 TALANSKY Andrew GRS USA les 695.6 km en 16h52'29'' (moy. 41.31 km/h)
2 PARDILLA BELLON Sergio MOV ESP 16h52'41'' 12''
3 NAVARRO Daniel STB ESP 16h53'07'' 38''
4 * OLIVIER Daan RB3 NED 16h53'37'' 01'08''
5 COPPEL Jérôme SAU FRA 16h53'51'' 01'22''
6 CHRISTENSEN Mads STB DEN 16h56'39'' 04'10''
7 BONNAFOND Guillaume ALM FRA 16h56'57'' 04'28''
8 BAGOT Yoann COF FRA 16h57'07'' 04'38''
9 PAUWELS Serge OPQ BEL 16h57'13'' 04'44''
10 * CHAMORRO CHITAN Juan Ernesto COL COL 16h57'30'' 05'01''

Great result for Olivier, 19 years old.
 

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Dekker_Tifosi said:
talents that go so well so young can stagnate though, especially when teams overuse them (Kreuziger) or when they get injured all the time (Gesink)
Yes, just look at Sagan.. :D

But you right, I don´t approve either when teams only object is the results on the short run on behalf of the young athletes, and one could also fear Sagan could pay the price one day.
 
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Taaramäe didn't finish todays stage. :( Totally out of gas as he said in his blog. Very worrying especially cause he doesn't quite understand what the reason is..

Happy for Bagot who did very well tho.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
talents that go so well so young can stagnate though, especially when teams overuse them (Kreuziger) or when they get injured all the time (Gesink)
Yeah what they did Kreuziger was just way too much.

Injuries for Gesink are an excuse but still when I saw him 5 years ago I expected a bit more from him. I doubt he will ever win a GT, maybe but then everything needs to be on their place. He seems so vulnerable.

Anyway Pinot should stop riding this year. But you know that next year french people will expect so much that the only thing he can really do is disappoint them.
 
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Miburo said:
Yeah what they did Kreuziger was just way too much.

Injuries for Gesink are an excuse but still when I saw him 5 years ago I expected a bit more from him. I doubt he will ever win a GT, maybe but then everything needs to be on their place. He seems so vulnerable.

Anyway Pinot should stop riding this year. But you know that next year french people will expect so much that the only thing he can really do is disappoint them.
Gesink hasn't stagnated, he's gotten worse, due to injury, and maybe a lack of real drive. He's a level below where he was 2 or 3 years ago. It's too bad.

Pinot to me seems a totally different type of rider. Yes, he's a climber, but that's where the similarities end. I think he's a future superstar. Actually, FDJ have been relatively careful with him, to then release him in the hardest GT possible at 22 years of age... maybe not the wisest of choices, but he did great. I doubt he'll succumb to the pressure, I just hope Madiot can be a bit less of an idiot.
 
theyoungest said:
Gesink hasn't stagnated, he's gotten worse, due to injury, and maybe a lack of real drive. He's a level below where he was 2 or 3 years ago. It's too bad.

Pinot to me seems a totally different type of rider. Yes, he's a climber, but that's where the similarities end. I think he's a future superstar. Actually, FDJ have been relatively careful with him, to then release him in the hardest GT possible at 22 years of age... maybe not the wisest of choices, but he did great. I doubt he'll succumb to the pressure, I just hope Madiot can be a bit less of an idiot.
Gesink most certainly does not have a lack of drive, last year he showed great form in canada and then browke his legg, which also had a massive effect on this year. So I dont think its fair to say he went down a level.

(and im not a Gesink fan, also not a hater though)
 
theyoungest said:
Gesink hasn't stagnated, he's gotten worse, due to injury, and maybe a lack of real drive. He's a level below where he was 2 or 3 years ago. It's too bad.

Pinot to me seems a totally different type of rider. Yes, he's a climber, but that's where the similarities end. I think he's a future superstar. Actually, FDJ have been relatively careful with him, to then release him in the hardest GT possible at 22 years of age... maybe not the wisest of choices, but he did great. I doubt he'll succumb to the pressure, I just hope Madiot can be a bit less of an idiot.
You can say a lot of things about Gesink, but a lack of drive? Seriously? LOL
 
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Bye Bye Bicycle said:
There's no need to have the 264th Gesink discussion in a thread for a race he didn't participate in.

Buffaz with his usual once-a-year-top-performance-to-ensure-new-contract-for-next-year. :D
I don't think being in the break and losing a few minutes to the eventual stage winner will secure him a contract.
 
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