Tour de l'Avenir 2022 (August 18-28)

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Official Livestream

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg8LD5puXo0

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Belgium unsurprisingly crushing the best intermediate time.
France 2nd at over 20s.

 

[Samamba]

Belgium unsurprisingly crushing the best intermediate time.
France 2nd at over 20s.

Best teams still have to come tho.
Absolutely no idea why the live isn't even showing Belgium once, they have one of the GC favorites ffs.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Best teams still have to come tho.
Absolutely no idea why the live isn't even showing Belgium once, they have one of the GC favorites ffs.

Yes, i meant that it was no surprise that Belgium would have the best time of all the teams that already passed the intermediate.

 

[Samamba]

They found Belgium!

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Over a minute faster at the finish than France?

 

[Samamba]

So Uijtdebroecks and Van Eetvelt taking a minute on Martinez.

Norway and Netherlands 23 and 24 seconds behind Belgium at first intermediate

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Germany only a second slower at the intermediate.

So Uijtdebroecks and Van Eetvelt taking a minute on Martinez.

Norway and Netherlands 23 and 24 seconds behind Belgium at first intermediate

Uijtdebroeks lost half a minute yesterday though.

 

[Samamba]

Germany 1 seconds behind Belgium at first intermediate!

 

[Samamba]

Still confused as to why Belgium took Gelders over an extra TTer. I have a feeling they could've gone faster here. Lecerf also still on board at the finish so.

 

[Samamba]

GB 15 seconds down at first intermediate so it's going to be between Germany and Belgium. Gloag might keep the jersey tho.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

All teams passed by intermediate 1
Belgium 1 second faster than Germany. GB, Denmark, Netherlands... at around 15s and up.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Norway finished strong. Didn't lose a lot of time in the 2nd part.

 

[Samamba]

Belgium 2nd part wasn't fast enough, didn't win any time on Norway for example. Think Germany takes this.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Belgium 2nd part wasn't fast enough, didn't win any time on Norway for example. Think Germany takes this.

Possible, or Norway did a good pacing plan.

 

[Mayomaniac]

All teams passed by intermediate 1
Belgium 1 second faster than Germany. GB, Denmark, Netherlands... at around 15s and up.

Can't watch the stream atm, how did the Italians?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Germany 2s faster at the finish.

 

[Samamba]

Germany takes it. 2 seconds faster than Belgium. Hessmann probably in yellow if GB didn't do an insane 2nd part.

Can't watch the stream atm, how did the Italians?

Lost 56 seconds, so allright.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Can't watch the stream atm, how did the Italians?

Good but not great. I think they will be just outside the top 5.
EDIT: Currently 7th at +/- 55s from Germany. Less than 10s ahead of France.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Good but not great. I think they will be just outside the top 5.
EDIT: Currently 7th at +/- 55s from Germany. Less than 10s ahead of France.

Thanks for the info. Honestly, only 2 guys on that team are actually good TTers (Milesi and Piganzoli), after them a sprinter like Bruttomesso is probably their best rider for the TTT. Could have gone better, could have gone worse, but all things considered it's not that bad. They would have been a lot better if they had Garofoli and Frigo on the team.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Thanks for the info. Honestly, only 2 guys on that team are actually good TTers (Milesi and Piganzoli), after them a sprinter like Bruttomesso is probably their best rider for the TTT. Could have gone better, could have gone worse, but all things considered it's not that bad. They would have been a lot better if they had Garofoli and Frigo on the team.

That's what i figured. They're only half a minute off the podium.

 

[Walter1234]

Can't watch the stream atm, how did the Italians?

Actually the Italian team did not that bad with the 4 riders setting the team TTT result; but the 2 other riders finished OTL....
I think as a team not the result you looked for...

 

[Mayomaniac]

Actually the Italian team did not that bad with the 4 riders setting the team TTT result; but the 2 other riders finished OTL....
I think as a team not the result you looked for...

This is what you get when internal politics get in the way of selecting a team that is actually built to ride for the gc, you have to pick the riders from the right teams to make everyone happy...
Why do you bring 2 sprinters/1 sprinter and a leadout man if they are gonna finish OTL in the TTT anyway?
Some of the best climbers aren't available because of injuries/health problems or team related stuff, but bringing 2 good one day racer with a big engine (guys like Nicolo Buratti or Federico Guzzo) who have good results in Italian one day races with a good international field would be an obvious pick. De Pretto would be another name, but maybe he's not available because he's a trainee at BEX?

 

[Samamba]

This is what you get when internal politics get in the way of selecting a team that is actually built to ride for the gc, you have to pick the riders from the right teams to make everyone happy...
Why do you bring 2 sprinters/1 sprinter and a leadout man if they are gonna finish OTL in the TTT anyway?
Some of the best climbers aren't available because of injuries/health problems or team related stuff, but bringing 2 good one day racer with a big engine (guys like Nicolo Buratti or Federico Guzzo) who have good results in Italian one day races with a good international field would be an obvious pick. De Pretto would be another name, but maybe he's not available because he's a trainee at BEX?

I wouldn't be surprised if those 2 riders thought everyone would be capped at 2 minutes and there wasn't a time cut...

I agree tho that these politics are annoying but they happen in a lot of countries, GB for example where they want to promote their academy or Belgium where they don't want to have more than 3 guys of LTS in a national selection.

 

[Mayomaniac]

I wouldn't be surprised if those 2 riders thought everyone would be capped at 2 minutes and there wasn't a time cut...

I agree tho that these politics are annoying but they happen in a lot of countries, GB for example where they want to promote their academy or Belgium where they don't want to have more than 3 guys of LTS in a national selection.

The LTS thing is probably the one thing that I get the most, having a few spots for riders from other (smaller u23) teams and not having them take up more than 50% of the team isn't that stupid.
One thing that stands out with Italy is that the 2 biggest names who missed out and don't have any injury/health related problems at the moment, Frigo and Germani, ride for non-Italian u23 teams. If that's actually the reason why they were left out because of internal politics...