Tour de Romandie 2012

[Vino attacks everyone]

Us postal, i kinda like this stage.. the train putting the hurt and then popo was "incredible"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1_c8WHOnsY

god no, i remember Vino dropping, and my father said," not this year either, HAHA!!!!"

 

[Azabael]

More naturally talented riders benefit less from doping, so no, it's not the same.

Doping gives such a benefit. Maybe naturally talented riders benefit less from doping. I didn't know that, but if you are certain of that, alright. But I think that when only a few dope, they will be ahead of the others further than what the best will be when everyone or no-one dopes. So those bigger differances allow them to jump away early on a climb and stay away. Which is less likely to happen when no-one or everyone drugs. I think most races lately prove that point. Everyone is too frightened to not attack too early because you're likely to lose time after they catch you back instead of gain something from your attack.

 

[hrotha]

the 80s weren't better than the 90s. or the 70s better than the 80s. that;'s just your opinion, you are just a blind hater of dopign, we all know by now

It's not an opinion. If you're defining "better" as "had more aggressive racing and early attacks", then it's a fact that the 80s were better than even the early 90s. Back then everybody was complaining about how dull everything was and how only few riders dared to attack much anymore.

And thanks for the compliment. I'm not blind though.

 

[hrotha]

Doping gives such a benefit. Maybe naturally talented riders benefit less from doping. I didn't know that, but if you are certain of that, alright. But I think that when only a few dope, they will be ahead of the others further than what the best will be when everyone or no-one dopes. So those bigger differances allow them to jump away early on a climb and stay away. Which is less likely to happen when no-one or everyone drugs. I think most races lately prove that point. Everyone is too frightened to not attack too early because you're likely to lose time after they catch you back instead of gain something from your attack.

That only would apply to the very early 90s, before everyone got on the gear. Certainly not to the early 00s.

 

[will10]

Wrong section folks....

 

[El Pistolero]

It's not an opinion. If you're defining "better" as "had more aggressive racing and early attacks", then it's a fact that the 80s were better than even the early 90s. Back then everybody was complaining about how dull everything was and how only few riders dared to attack much anymore.

And thanks for the compliment. I'm not blind though.

Did Ryo seriously just called you a "blind hater of doping"?

My god, this forum needs a facepalm emote.

The 70s were the golden age of cycling in my opinion, watched a lot of documentaries about that era and it was pretty legendary. Especially the infamous Tour de France of 1971. The Giro d'Italia of 1973 wasn't too shabby either with the epic duel between Eddy Merckx and José Manuel Fuente.

 

[richtea]

Why does doping benefit less talented riders more, rather than it being a random effect? Just thinking through the maths, this correlation would have to be quite strong to offset the differences in absolute terms (i.e. If a rider on 400w gains 10%, then a rider on 350w would need 11.5% to remain on level terms, and 25% to catch up fully).

 

[peloton]

Wrong section folks....

This.
+1000

Go to the clinic with the doping talk, enough already.

 

[movingtarget]

WIggins will beat him at the tour.

Probably, if the Tour started today. God this has been one boring race so far. Makes the ENECO look like the Giro !

 

[Ferminal]

A bit of common sense please, if a doping discussion is starting up >>> move to the clinic and don't keep pushing the discussion in a race thread.

 

[hrotha]

A bit of common sense please, if a doping discussion is starting up >>> move to the clinic and don't keep pushing the discussion in a race thread.

Well you should remove the "bring back the epo" comments then, because it's simply wrong to allow them to stay unchallenged.

 

[Ferminal]

Well you should remove the "bring back the epo" comments then, because it's simply wrong to allow them to stay unchallenged.

Report them.

 

[theyoungest]

Meanwhile, there's a race going on over in Switzerland.

6 guys with a 3 minute advantage:

44 Johann Tschopp (BMC) +0:25
51 Guillaume Levarlet (SAU) +0:28
59 Petr Ignatenko (KAT) +0:37
68 Eduard Vorganov (KAT) +1:42
72 Jorge Azanza (EUS) +2:54
91 Jean-Christophe Peraud (ALM) +7:46

 

[Havetts]

Oh.. Peraud, I can see him stay away. Must have been saving his legs this week.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

both Peraud and Tschopp is strong enough to take this me thinks

 

[theyoungest]

Levarlet is a reasonable climber as well. Don't know how much leeway they'll get though.

Tejay Van Garderen abandons after a crash on the descent.

 

[Geraint Too Fast]

BMC twitter.

BMC Racing Team's Tejay van Garderen withdraws with facial injuries after hitting a tree branch on a descent.

That sucks for him, he looked in good form as well.

 

[Havetts]

mhm not cool..

 

[JRanton]

''Massively strong headwind in Romandie - Sky chasing escape at 20kms per hour! Can barely stand up, let alone ride a bike...''

From twitter

 

[JRanton]

''This wind is close to being dangerous with gusts over 60kms per hour..not sure what it means in the mountains...''

Another Queen stage cancelled?

 

[theyoungest]

The final of the stage is in a different valley, in Martigny they go east and maybe the wind conditions are different.

 

[Moviefan1203]

BMC twitter.


That sucks for him, he looked in good form as well.

I hope it's nothing too serious for him. I really think he was finding some good form heading into the Tour of California soon.

 

[cineteq]

It wasn't that bad.

"El equipo BMC ha remitido información sobre el abandono de Tejay Van Garderen: el estadounidense chocó con un árbol en el descenso del Col des Mosses y sufrió heridas en la cara. Su participación en el Giro, a priori, no peligra."

 

[search]

Su participación en el Giro, a priori, no peligra."

Giro di California or what are they talking about?

 

[cineteq]

Giro di California or what are they talking about?

ha ha...I guess

BMC Racing Team (Giro): Alessandro Ballan, Marco Pinotti, Mauro Santambrogio, Ivan Santaromita, Thor Hushovd, Taylor Phinney, Mathias Frank, Johann Tschopp y Danilo Wyss.