Tour de Romandie neither one-day nor monument, 28/04-03/05 2026

[pablohidalgo7]

Mentioning Pogacar was a mistake but Soudal riders are right about this. Yesterday the peloton always had a motorcycle in front of then and the break always in the back, making it a lost battle. With the breakway having a motor at the front there is no chance that a random UAE rider control the gap like that in the valley.

And this is a constant in the sport making it hard to watch if you are aware of the situation. Sometimes is the oposite, a last survivor of a break having the motorbike close to him an the peloton with the motorbike behind and people praising the breakaway rider for almost making to the line when it is obvious the reason of why is he going that fast 😅

Im not asking to pull out the motorbikes, but is really that hard to put them in the same position for the beakaway and the peloton?

 

[KoopaCycling]

You cannot dismiss the history

seems it's possible to dismiss visible motards. Also i highly doubt Soudal is thinking of Remco atm. They are thinking of winning the stage through the break with an in form Paret-Peintre and watching it go up in smoke to what they feel is unfair interference.

 

[AmRacer]

seems you can dismiss visible motards

Okay 👍

 

[Red Rick]

Mentioning Pogacar was a mistake but Soudal riders are right about this. Yesterday the peloton always had a motorcycle in front of then and the break always in the back, making it a lost battle. With the breakway having a motor at the front there is no chance that a random UAE rider control the gap like that in the valley.

And this is a constant in the sport making it hard to watch if you are aware of the situation. Sometimes is the oposite, a last survivor of a break having the motorbike close to him an the peloton with the motorbike behind and people praising the breakaway rider for almost making to the line when it is obvious the reason of why is he going that fast 😅

Im not asking to pull out the motorbikes, but is really that hard to put them in the same position for the beakaway and the peloton?

The Vingegaard/Evenepoel breakaway was super clear in that. Vingegaard was taking pulls when the motor was behind them, and they were losing time, then when Vingegaard stopped cooperating, the motor went in front of them, and then suddenly Evenepoel could basically stay away solo

 

[canina82]

Soudal bringing up the topic of motards inadvertently cheating the race. saying they helped Pogacar and UAE.
Losing 50 sec in 5 km once the television show came on and tv motards showing up despite them going full gas.

Lets hope more people will complain and this becomes a real topic. No need to help the strong.

People are free to dismiss some people claims, making

Soudal bringing up the topic of motards inadvertently cheating the race. saying they helped Pogacar and UAE.
Losing 50 sec in 5 km once the television show came on and tv motards showing up despite them going full gas.

Lets hope more people will complain and this becomes a real topic for the UCI. No need to help the strong.

People are free to dismiss some people claims, making it subtly about Remco, when no word of Remco was mentioned, he ain't in the race and no longer rides for Soudal. Reality is, that it's a problem that needs adressing.

And are you sure this actually happened? Why don't you rewatch the stage and take your own conclusions?

 

[Salvarani]

Mentioning Pogacar was a mistake but Soudal riders are right about this. Yesterday the peloton always had a motorcycle in front of then and the break always in the back, making it a lost battle. With the breakway having a motor at the front there is no chance that a random UAE rider control the gap like that in the valley.

And this is a constant in the sport making it hard to watch if you are aware of the situation. Sometimes is the oposite, a last survivor of a break having the motorbike close to him an the peloton with the motorbike behind and people praising the breakaway rider for almost making to the line when it is obvious the reason of why is he going that fast 😅

Im not asking to pull out the motorbikes, but is really that hard to put them in the same position for the beakaway and the peloton?

Agree with that.

They went about it in the wrong way and it is unfortunate. It comes off in a bad way.

Their point gets lost when they target a rider or a team. Especially, when we see it in almost every race.

It is a much broader problem, that the peloton needs to be on the same side on to make a change together with organisers and whatnot. Not pit against each other.

 

[Heston]

It is undeniable that Pogacar has received a huge amount of help from motos and cars in the past few years. More than any other rider in history. Denying that is like denying the Earth is round.

It's good that riders dare to speak up against UCI's darling.

[content deleted] It's obvious that Fuglsang/VPP/Vervaeke are correct and highlighting a big problem.

 

[Rob5091]

FFB & Tratnik up the road in the break. Red Bull going to try something?

 

[canina82]

Mentioning Pogacar was a mistake but Soudal riders are right about this. Yesterday the peloton always had a motorcycle in front of then and the break always in the back, making it a lost battle. With the breakway having a motor at the front there is no chance that a random UAE rider control the gap like that in the valley.

And this is a constant in the sport making it hard to watch if you are aware of the situation. Sometimes is the oposite, a last survivor of a break having the motorbike close to him an the peloton with the motorbike behind and people praising the breakaway rider for almost making to the line when it is obvious the reason of why is he going that fast 😅

Im not asking to pull out the motorbikes, but is really that hard to put them in the same position for the beakaway and the peloton?

No, it wasn't a mistake. It was intentional and stingy. This shows bias towards Pogacar, more than the actual and real problem (motos).

 

[KoopaCycling]

Agree with that.

They went about it in the wrong way and it is unfortunate. It comes off in a bad way.

Their point gets lost when they target a rider or a team. Especially, when we see it in almost every race.

It is a much broader problem.

It is, and as we can see, because Pogacar was mentioned people their response immediately goes to defence. Instead of acknowledging the reality that's it's becoming a bigger and bigger problem.

 

[canina82]

It is undeniable that Pogacar has received a huge amount of help from motos and cars in the past few years. More than any other rider in history. Denying that is like denying the Earth is round.

It's good that riders dare to speak up against UCI's darling.

[deleted content] It's obvious that Fuglsang/VPP/Vervaeke are correct and highlighting a big problem.

Give me examples of motos helping specifically Pogacar.

 

[Salvarani]

It is, and as we can see, because Pogacar was mentioned people their response immediately goes to defence. Instead of acknowledging the reality that's it's becoming a bigger and bigger problem.

Their mistake to go about it that way and to the detriment of solving the problem.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Their mistake to go about it that way and to the detriment of solving the problem.

But it's also news that gets picked up on cause UAE and Pogacar get mentioned.
If not, it might just be lost in the wind again.

 

[Heston]

Give me examples of motos helping specifically Pogacar.

Ronde a couple of weeks ago. Remco was about to catch Pogacar and MVdP when motos went in front of Pogacar and made sure he wouldn't get caught.

There are tons of examples. You are free to believe Earth is flat and Pogacar never received help from motos, but expect to be ridiculed for it.

 

[canina82]

It is, and as we can see, because Pogacar was mentioned people their response immediately goes to defence. Instead of acknowledging the reality that's it's becoming a bigger and bigger problem.

And where is the accountability from those who are specifically mentioning Pogacar? Specially in stages where Pogacar wasn't even targetting the win and would be irrelevant if they gained the stage with 1 or 2' advantage.

 

[Salvarani]

But it's also news that gets picked up on cause UAE and Pogacar get mentioned.
If not, it might just be lost in the wind again.

Sure, but thats a bad tactic that will only create bad blood between the riders and teams. It doesnt solve much.

You dont create change that way by singling out a rider or a team, when literally everyone searches for the moto-bikes or benefits from them being close.

 

[KoopaCycling]

And where is the accountability from those who are specifically mentioning Pogacar? Specially in stages where Pogacar wasn't even targetting the win and would be irrelevant if they gained the stage with 1 or 2' advantage.

You are mixing chasing down the breakaway to ride for the win/time and moto draft.
Sure they often go hand in hand, but they are not the same. One is an issue, the other is not.
Except for not making yourself popular if you never let the break win.

 

[canina82]

Ronde a couple of weeks ago. Remco was about to catch Pogacar and MVdP when motos went in front of Pogacar and made sure he wouldn't get caught.

There are tons of examples. You are free to believe Earth is flat and Pogacar never received help from motos, but expect to be ridiculed for it.

That's not true. Remco was 2" behind and couldn't close because he was on the limit. No way, a rider like Remco doesn't close this gap if he has something left. Since we are talking about Remco, why didn't he win 2025 WC after getting a moto in front of him while chasing Pogacar?
You are targetting Pogacar, but this is a global problem. Every single rider benefits (or the opposite) from motos.

 

[YavorD]

It is, and as we can see, because Pogacar was mentioned people their response immediately goes to defence. Instead of acknowledging the reality that's it's becoming a bigger and bigger problem.

But the motos have always helped the riders who attack. Infamous Pantani attack on Cipressa was behind a moto curtain.
Every rider has benefited from the motos, VPP including, but I doubt he complains when he benefits from them.
Pogacar naturally benefits a bit more often because he is better than the rest and often solo. It's not like they purposely help him because it's him as many people try to claim.

Of course it has to change. Modern cameras have high quality zoom, so they can picture from a far most of the time.

 

[KoopaCycling]

That's not true. Remco was 2" behind and couldn't close because he was on the limit. No way, a rider like Remco doesn't close this gap if he has something left. Since we are talking about Remco, why didn't he win 2025 WC after getting a moto in front of him while chasing Pogacar?

So much defence. Just cause Pogacar was mentioned.
But the motards were visible to all.

 

[KoopaCycling]

But the motos have always helped the riders who attack. Infamous Pantani attack on Cipressa was behind a moto curtain.
Every rider has benefited from the motos, VPP including, but I doubt he complains when he benefits from them.
Pogacar naturally benefits a bit more often because he is better than the rest and often solo. It's not like they purposely help him because it's him as many people try to claim.

Of course it has to change. Modern cameras have high quality zoom, so they can picture from a far most of the time.

Why are you bringing Remco into this?
People be deflecting too much.

Reality is, that the motards and their influence are becoming more and more visible.
And people notice. It's a growing problem that needs adressing.

 

[canina82]

You are mixing chasing down the breakaway to ride for the win/time and moto draft.
Sure they often go hand in hand, but they are not the same. One is an issue, the other is not.
Except for not making yourself popular if you never let the break win.

I'm not. What is true is what Vervaeke said it's a lie. That's not an opinion. Every person can rewatch the stage and will see this. Motos are a problem but this incident is not a good example of that at all.

 

[canina82]

So much defence. Just cause Pogacar was mentioned.
But the motards were visible to all.

Nothing different from other races. That's my point. And 50" in 5 km is a lie, this didn't happen. You are conveniently avoiding answer to this.

 

[YavorD]

Why are you bringing Remco into this?
People be deflecting too much.

Reality is, that the motards and their influence are becoming more and more visible.
And people notice. It's a growing problem that needs adressing.

I didn't bring Remco lol... I brought VPP because he made the claim.

But people bring him, because he also benefits from motos, but his fans rarely complain when that happens.


Edit: No, it's not "growing". It has always been like this.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Nothing different from other races. That's my point. And 50" in 5 km is a lie, this didn't happen. You are conveniently avoiding answer to this.

I don't need to answer. The fact that you want to nitpick what is clearly meant as statement quote shows the problem is real.