Tour de Suisse - Stage 4, Schwarzenburg - Wettingen (192.2km)

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myrideissteelerthanyours

myrideissteelerthanyours

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it wasnt that he drifted... its that he jumped when ciolek/mcewen/whoever in blue (did you see the **** small picture i was watching live posted above?) did and miss timed the sprint, then totally ate it in front of everyone when he was completely out of his element with that bad leadout.

he ate it hard, where is he supposed to go?
 
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Reverend_T_Preedy said:
Yeah. They were almost identical. Tit :confused:

Cav's fault certainly but I think everyone's overeacting. Hausler's shoulder charge also contributed to it.
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Just been doing a slow mo rerun & I think the fault is deffinately 50/50 as Hausler was also drifting over to the centre and a well aimed elbow into Cav's side didn't help.
 
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myrideissteelerthanyours said:
it wasnt that he drifted... its that he jumped when ciolek did and miss timed the sprint, then totally ate it in front of everyone when he was completely out of his element with that bad leadout.

he ate it hard, where is he supposed to go?
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I think everyone in the sprint would have preferred "backward" to "sideways."
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
No, that one is completely on Cav. He deviated very quickly and hit Hausler. Hausler did nothing but sprint. I guess sprinting is contributing? Cav screwed up and that is the end of that story.
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I agree Cav was at fault but Hausler's little barge, whether he was right to do it or not, caused Cav to go over and contributed to it. In no way am I sticking up for him or saying it was someone elses fault, just making an observation after looking at the footage again.
 
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Boardslide said:
Just been doing a slow mo rerun & I think the fault is deffinately 50/50 as Hausler was also drifting over to the centre and a well aimed elbow into Cav's side didn't help.
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Defending yourself with an elbow because the other guy is moving into your line is not 50/50. This was not Hausler's fault.
 
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Reverend_T_Preedy said:
I agree Cav was at fault but Hausler's little barge, whether he was right to do it or not, caused Cav to go over and contributed to it. In no way am I sticking up for him or saying it was someone elses fault, just making an observation after looking at the footage again.
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Hausler was defending himself and his line. It was a natural reaction to someone suddenly coming into his line. I guess Cav was hoping for him to have to deviate too. Slow motion does not reveal the thing that I saw. At full speed, Cav moved to abruptly for anyone to do anything but go down.
 
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Reverend_T_Preedy said:
You should never wish that on anybody. What he did was hardly a crime
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Obviously not being completely serious, but I would be quite ****ed if Haussler for example broke something and Cavendish didn't, as it was clearly Cavs fault. Cav is getting really desperate ahead of the Tour de France I guess, and just completely lost it when he saw Haussler outsprinting him.
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
Defending yourself with an elbow because the other guy is moving into your line is not 50/50. This was not Hausler's fault.
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Exactly. Cav was all over the place in that sprint. 30 meters before the incident he was putting Ciolek in the barriers on their right side. Cav ran out of gas and tried to hold off Hausler by drifting to his left. Hausler tried to protect himself with an elbow. Cav went over Haussler front wheel and chaos ensued. Stuff happens in sprints but this one's on Cav.


edit: was going from memory (ciolek isn't the rider Cav puts into the barriers, still a crazy move)
 
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mksndz

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no shots of Boonen in the post-race footage - he took a nasty spill :(

looked like Haussler was OK - talking to press
 
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Sasquatch said:
The way I assess this situation is this:

I am a fan of Cav, but this, today, just proves he doesn't have the condition ahead of July. He's put all the eggs in the basket to peak for the Tour. At the moment, he is not showing he has what it takes to be competitive. He has done ****** all in the lead up. That California stage was only thanks to his lead-out but he did not look unbeatable like we always see.

This stage of him drifting just goes to show how out of form he is. I hope he's okay and not seriously injured.

Again, with a proper lead out train in the Tour, he'll probably be fine, but at the moment, I can't see him being competitive in the early stages.

Even if he didn't break his line, I don't think he would have won the sprint. Personally, on the assessment, I think he's *******. I hope I'm wrong as I want to see him fully fit in July but at the moment there is no way he could out sprint Farrar.

And If I was in charge of Columbia, I would seriously look at putting in a team full of climbers for Rogers and leaving Cav for the Vuelta and World's. On current form, Cav shouldn't be riding the Tour.
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A lot of truth in this - he drifted I think because he was not race-sharp (not for a tight finish anyway), put under pressure, probably beat, and not used to being in that position

A lot of times you see riders get away with a lot worse but this time it bit him on the rse
 
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mksndz said:
no shots of Boonen in the post-race footage - he took a nasty spill :(

looked like Haussler was OK - talking to press
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Boonen was pretty much straight on his feet though. Hopefully nothing too serious. (for him or anyone.)

That AG2R guy took a hell of a fall.
 
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Reverend_T_Preedy

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I'll tel you something else as well. When you see it again, look how fortunate Flecha was. He was coming down the middle of the road and had knowhere to go but all of a sudden the bodies parted and he nipped through a very small gap. Lucky boy.
 
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There was nothing 'accidental' about Frodo drifting to the left. He was trying to block/barge HH because he knew that he was beaten. While not on a Theo Bos level, it was deliberate.
 
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Cavendish crash

Commentators were saying he went off line - watch in slow motion, his front wheel collapses, that's what caused the crash.
 
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