Tour du Romandie: 27 April - 2 May 2010

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Like I said, his ego may just have lost him a few more followers.

I very much doubt that.

People who already dislike him will hate it.

People who like him will find it amusing.

Both will continue to follow him.

 

[BeachBum]

You don't need to fold down the index finger. I once had one of my scottish friends explain why she kept doing that weird two finger salute. In britain the two finger salute is a way to say f*** off to the french (and nowadays anyone else). It comes from the days of the english longbowmen. The french used to cut off the two fingers used to pull the bow string back before releasing them (if they had been captured first), so the two fingers was a way to tell a frenchmen from a distance that they could still kill them.

Ahh, thank you for the cultural information, very interesting. Over here (USA), if you used 2 fingers, everybody would just think you're off.

 

[Jamsque]

V for Victory.

And also **** off.

 

[pmcg76]

I think Cav spends too much time on forums reading about himself and gets himself all worked up. lol.

The guy lacks class pure and simple.

 

[stefrees]

I very much doubt that.

People who already dislike him will hate it.

People who like him will find it amusing.

Both will continue to follow him.

agree completely!

wiggo seems to find it amusing on twitter "As for the salute, well it'll give the cycling forum users something to do this evening"

 

[Kazistuta]

it's time to start speculating about the itt tomorrow:

here 's my top 5:

larsson
pinotti
rogers
kreuziger
menchov

A pretty solid guess, although I might exchange Kreuziger with one of the following:
Peraud, Brajkovic, Vande Velde, Ignatiev, Grabsch & Rabon (the latter two seems out of form, though)

Interesting to see T. Meyer, Ovechkin, Machado, Bobridge and of course Sagan tomorrow....

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

I think Cav spends too much time on forums reading about himself and gets himself all worked up. lol.

The guy lacks class pure and simple.

My most hated Americanism pure and simple.

You people have no idea what a class system entails, so misappropriate the word to mean manners. If you insist on speaking our language, please do it properly.

 

[maltiv]

Umm class act, beating sprinting superstars, Hondo, Hunter and the lesser Haedo.

Indeed. Greipel could never have done the same! He just wins little **** races with no sprinting competition whatsoever, while cav is sprinting against all the best here.

 

[The Sheep]

My most hated Americanism pure and simple.

You people have no idea what a class system entails, so misappropriate the word to mean manners. If you insist on speaking our language, please do it properly.

shut up cleanshirt

 

[theyoungest]

Indeed. Greipel could never have done the same! He just wins little **** races with no sprinting competition whatsoever, while cav is sprinting against all the best here.

I assume you're being ironic, like Mellow Velo?

 

[Lawman1965]

Cavendish is just a rude little boy - no more and no less. Just look at his arrogant little face as he's giving the world the 'V' sign.....

He loves himself far too much, yes he's a very good sprinter, but there is always someone waiting in the wings and I think it's about time he's brought down a peg or two.

Oh, and I do agree - he really has no class, Americanism or not it's the truth .

In fact - I'd really love it if the Race disqualified him from today's stage, that would be a brilliant come down.

Rich

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

shut up cleanshirt

I wondered whether my initial post was an over-reaction, but now I feel a warm glow of justification.

 

[theyoungest]

My most hated Americanism pure and simple.

You people have no idea what a class system entails, so misappropriate the word to mean manners. If you insist on speaking our language, please do it properly.

Since when is American English the language of the British isles? (assuming that's where you come from)

 

[pmcg76]

My most hated Americanism pure and simple.

You people have no idea what a class system entails, so misappropriate the word to mean manners. If you insist on speaking our language, please do it properly.[/QUOTE

Really aint you so smart, I am not American, I am Irish so you gonna tell me I dont know what a class system is. How about having lived in Birmingham, UK for over 4 years and studied a bit of British Culture/history at Uni and of course a lot of Irish history. Have you lived in the US?

If Cav was a footballer, which of course is a working class sport and made such a gesture, he would be ridiculed and probably banned or heavily fined.

Of course now you will probably suggest I just have a typical Irish anti-British view, not true either. I judge cyclists on how they behave, not their nationality.

Using 'class' as a word(Alan Hansen) to describe somebodys personality or something good is used in the UK also, maybe not as often but please dont try to belittle people based on nationality especailly when you dont even know where they are from.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

My most hated Americanism pure and simple.

You people have no idea what a class system entails, so misappropriate the word to mean manners. If you insist on speaking our language, please do it properly.[/QUOTE

Really aint you so smart, I am not American, I am Irish so you gonna tell me I dont know what a class system is. How about having lived in Birmingham, UK for over 4 years and studied a bit of British Culture/history at Uni and of course a lot of Irish history. Have you lived in the US?

If Cav was a footballer, which of course is a working class sport and made such a gesture, he would be ridiculed and probably banned or heavily fined.

Of course now you will probably suggest I just have a typical Irish anti-British view, not true either. I judge cyclists on how they behave, not their nationality.

Using 'class' as a word(Alan Hansen) to describe somebodys personality or something good is used in the UK also, maybe not as often but please dont try to belittle people based on nationality especailly when you dont even know where they are from.

My post did not suggest, or entail that you are American.

I have lived in the US. I have also lived in the UK a little longer than 4 years.

I agree supporters of other teams would mock a footballer who did that, and his own supporters would love him for it, vis a vis John Terry - I'm not really sure what relevance that has to the rest of what you wrote.

I'll grant I was not aware that Alan Hansen was the new authority on the English language - if he chooses to misuse it, that is his perogative, just as it is mine to judge him for it.

It was not my intention to belittle you so much as to let off steam in an internet forum environment (where the terms of engagement are general adversarial) because it really ****es me off when people use that word in that sense - imagine how it sounds in your ear when people conjugate incorrectly - I get that same sense of irratation when I see people habitually misusing words.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Anyhow, Cav's got a long way to go to beat our old favourite and his victory celebration.



Cost him $250 for this little show of emotion.
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/2001/sep01/sep29news.php

 

[pmcg76]

My post did not suggest, or entail that you are American.

I have lived in the US. I have also lived in the UK a little longer than 4 years.

I agree supporters of other teams would mock a footballer who did that, and his own supporters would love him for it, vis a vis John Terry - I'm not really sure what relevance that has to the rest of what you wrote.

I'll grant I was not aware that Alan Hansen was the new authority on the English language - if he chooses to misuse it, that is his perogative, just as it is mine to judge him for it.

It was not my intention to belittle you so much as to let off steam in an internet forum environment (where the terms of engagement are general adversarial) because it really ****es me off when people use that word in that sense - imagine how it sounds in your ear when people conjugate incorrectly - I get that same sense of irratation when I see people habitually misusing words.

You really are full of yourself arent you. go read your original post to me, you suggested I didnt know what a class system was, it was very anti-american, "you people speaking our language". I was making the point that having lived in the UK, I am very much aware of what a class system is thank you.

I also never said Alan Hansen was the authority on the English Language, I just gave an example of a well known media pundit in the UK who uses the word in that context and there are plenty more who use it the same manner. If it used as an expression in Britain, then its a bit hypocritcal to be criticising others for doing the same thing or are you here as a grammar Nazi.

 

[TRDean]

My post did not suggest, or entail that you are American.

I have lived in the US. I have also lived in the UK a little longer than 4 years.

I agree supporters of other teams would mock a footballer who did that, and his own supporters would love him for it, vis a vis John Terry - I'm not really sure what relevance that has to the rest of what you wrote.

I'll grant I was not aware that Alan Hansen was the new authority on the English language - if he chooses to misuse it, that is his perogative, just as it is mine to judge him for it.

It was not my intention to belittle you so much as to let off steam in an internet forum environment (where the terms of engagement are general adversarial) because it really ****es me off when people use that word in that sense - imagine how it sounds in your ear when people conjugate incorrectly - I get that same sense of irratation when I see people habitually misusing words.

you posting your rediculous spittle. You might just be Cav??? Classless.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Let's cut to the chase - language is not a fixed or static being, regardless of what protectionist institutions like the Academie Française or Íslensk Málstöð may intend. English, in particular, does not have any specific regulatory body. The OED is seen as the definitive say on linguistic matters, but this is only informally acknowledged and there are many others with valid claims to that title - Noah Webster's dictionary of American English was published at a similar time to Dr. Johnson's first dictionary of the English Language, so American orthography is equally valid.

Language change is a vital part of language history, and without it we would all still be speaking Proto-Indo-European (assuming that all of you have an Indo-European language as your first language, which is a massive assumption). Some of it is borne out of error or mutilation of the grammatical form (how many times do you see people write 'could of', 'should of', 'would of'? You never see that from anybody who's learnt English, only from somebody who has it as their first language), which can be irritating. But semantic change (like 'class' in your example) is part of language. Hence why the same word for 'horse rider' has come to mean 'nobleman' in English, but be decreased in meaning to 'stable boy' and then to 'servant' in German (Knight/Knecht). If Americans don't have a 'class' system that matches up to that in Britain, then the word in that context becomes redundant and is free to wander in meaning to something else, and thus it is being used in a completely correct and acceptable manner.

(Linguistics postgrad)

 

[theyoungest]

My post did not suggest, or entail that you are American.

I have lived in the US. I have also lived in the UK a little longer than 4 years.

I agree supporters of other teams would mock a footballer who did that, and his own supporters would love him for it, vis a vis John Terry - I'm not really sure what relevance that has to the rest of what you wrote.

I'll grant I was not aware that Alan Hansen was the new authority on the English language - if he chooses to misuse it, that is his perogative, just as it is mine to judge him for it.

It was not my intention to belittle you so much as to let off steam in an internet forum environment (where the terms of engagement are general adversarial) because it really ****es me off when people use that word in that sense - imagine how it sounds in your ear when people conjugate incorrectly - I get that same sense of irratation when I see people habitually misusing words.

Ye olde Oxford English Dictionary includes the following definition:

slang or colloq. Distinction, high quality; no class: of no worth; of low quality, inferior. Also attrib. or quasi-adj.

Language isn't dead, it changes, no matter how much that annoys you. It's irritation by the way, not irratation.

 

[Bicicleta]

Anyhow, Cav's got a long way to go to beat our old favourite and his victory celebration.



Cost him $250 for this little show of emotion.
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/2001/sep01/sep29news.php

Thanks for sharing that!!!

 

[jaylew]

My post did not suggest, or entail that you are American.

I have lived in the US. I have also lived in the UK a little longer than 4 years.

I agree supporters of other teams would mock a footballer who did that, and his own supporters would love him for it, vis a vis John Terry - I'm not really sure what relevance that has to the rest of what you wrote.

I'll grant I was not aware that Alan Hansen was the new authority on the English language - if he chooses to misuse it, that is his perogative, just as it is mine to judge him for it.

It was not my intention to belittle you so much as to let off steam in an internet forum environment (where the terms of engagement are general adversarial) because it really ****es me off when people use that word in that sense - imagine how it sounds in your ear when people conjugate incorrectly - I get that same sense of irratation when I see people habitually misusing words.

You are completely full of it and there isn't a sane person reading this thread who doesn't see it. Your post didn't suggest he was American?

And I'm sure just as many people get a sense of "irritation" when people misspell words.

We don't need that kind of stuff around here.

 

[goggalor]

"blah blah I'm back blah blah to everyone who ever doubted me blah blah take that, world bleeeeuurghg..."

Snore, snore, Cav is such a bore.

wiggo seems to find it amusing on twitter "As for the salute, well it'll give the cycling forum users something to do this evening"

Hehe.

 

[pmcg76]

Let's cut to the chase - language is not a fixed or static being, regardless of what protectionist institutions like the Academie Française or Íslensk Málstöð may intend. English, in particular, does not have any specific regulatory body. The OED is seen as the definitive say on linguistic matters, but this is only informally acknowledged and there are many others with valid claims to that title - Noah Webster's dictionary of American English was published at a similar time to Dr. Johnson's first dictionary of the English Language, so American orthography is equally valid.

Language change is a vital part of language history, and without it we would all still be speaking Proto-Indo-European (assuming that all of you have an Indo-European language as your first language, which is a massive assumption). Some of it is borne out of error or mutilation of the grammatical form (how many times do you see people write 'could of', 'should of', 'would of'? You never see that from anybody who's learnt English, only from somebody who has it as their first language), which can be irritating. But semantic change (like 'class' in your example) is part of language. Hence why the same word for 'horse rider' has come to mean 'nobleman' in English, but be decreased in meaning to 'stable boy' and then to 'servant' in German (Knight/Knecht). If Americans don't have a 'class' system that matches up to that in Britain, then the word in that context becomes redundant and is free to wander in meaning to something else, and thus it is being used in a completely correct and acceptable manner.

(Linguistics postgrad)

Dont worry, it just the typical tactics of somebody who doesnt like to see their favourite riders/team get criticised. Pick on the irrelevant points like use of language.

You do what Cav done today in the Premier League, it is automatically a yellow card if not red and if aimed at fans would result in an automatic fine. Something along the lines of 'bringing the game into disrepute'. Its that kind of behaviour that gets sportspeople a bad reputation.

 

[tgsgirl]

(how many times do you see people write 'could of', 'should of', 'would of'? You never see that from anybody who's learnt English, only from somebody who has it as their first language)

Actually saw that on a Nivea add on the London tube once. Annoyed me to no end