Tour Match Up: Gesink v Van Den Broeck

[Spine Concept]

Again, read Dekker's post.

He said VDB was unimpressive at Dauphiné last year. He was the third best climber behind a certain Alberto Contador.

Can't you guys make connections on your own?

I fail to see how being the third best climber in a race behind a Contador is unimpressive.

That's the thing, the connection exists only in your head. If Gesink was there I'm pretty sure he'd be behind Contador in terms of climbing as well. Everyone is behind Conti in that regard at the moment. Nice try though.

There you go again, making the weirdest connections. Scarponi has nothing to do with Gesink. Your obsession is with Gesink.

 

[El Pistolero]

Yeah right, that's why Brajkovic won.

Yeah right, that's why Contador did attack after attack to try and drop Brajkovic.

At least act as if you watched the race.

 

[El Pistolero]

That's the thing, the connection exists only in your head. If Gesink was there I'm pretty sure he'd be behind Contador in terms of climbing as well. Everyone is behind Conti in that regard at the moment. Nice try though.

I guess you're still too dumb to get it:

If it's unimpressive to be the third best climber in a race like the Dauphiné behind a certain Contador(who is a better climber than Gesink, obviously) then what is impressive?

Oh well, Dutch team up is funny though.

 

[theyoungest]

Yeah right, that's why Contador did attack after attack to try and drop Brajkovic.

At least act as if you watched the race.

If you look at his TT result, his form wasn't exactly great at the Dauphiné last year. Arriving in mediocre form = not really trying.

 

[El Pistolero]

If you look at his TT result, his form wasn't exactly great at the Dauphiné last year. Arriving in mediocre form = not really trying.

So he wasn't trying at the Tour last year?

Hahaha. Your argument is silly and doesn't make sense.

 

[theyoungest]

So he wasn't trying at the Tour last year?

Hahaha. Your argument is silly and doesn't make sense.

You've lost me.

 

[El Pistolero]

You've lost me.

"If you look at his TT result, his form wasn't exactly great at the Tour. Arriving in mediocre form= not trying."

I just replaced the word Dauphiné with the Tour.

It's your own argument, so how can you be lost? I know it doesn't make sense, because it's your own argument.

 

[just some guy]

If you look at his TT result, his form wasn't exactly great at the Dauphiné last year. Arriving in mediocre form = not really trying.

So he wasn't trying at the Tour last year?

Hahaha. Your argument is silly and doesn't make sense.

You've lost me.

"If you look at his TT result, his form wasn't exactly great at the Tour. Arriving in mediocre form= not trying."

I just replaced the word Dauphiné with the Tour.

It's your own argument, so how can you be lost? I know it doesn't make sense, because it's your own argument.

This is getting really weird now

 

[Spine Concept]

I guess you're still too dumb to get it:

If it's unimpressive to be the third best climber in a race like the Dauphiné behind a certain Contador(who is a better climber than Gesink, obviously) then what is impressive?

Oh well, Dutch team up is funny though.

Resorting to personal attacks now are we? Classy.

Let's just figure out who the dumb one is. He never said Jurgen was the third best climber, YOU said that. He thought Jurgen was worse than TJVG and Coppel. If that is the case then yes, that is unimpressive.

Finally, I'm not Dutch, and it's not about teaming up. It's about having a difference of opinion and you can't take it. Deal with it.

 

[El Pistolero]

It's really simple.

Youngest thinks Contador didn't try at the Dauphiné last year. And he gives his lack of form indicated by his time trial at the Dauphiné as example. Forgetting he won the prologue and queen stage. Yes he obviously wasn't in top peak yet, but neither was VDB. So this point is moot.

But if you use the very same argumentation Youngest uses for saying Contador didn't try at the Dauphiné at the Tour you get just the same thing. His time trial was bad at the Tour as well, so according to the youngest he wasn't trying to win at the Tour.

Bull****.

 

[El Pistolero]

Resorting to personal attacks now are we? Classy.

Let's just figure out who the dumb one is. He never said Jurgen was the third best climber, YOU said that. He thought Jurgen was worse than TJVG and Coppel. If that is the case then yes, that is unimpressive.

Finally, I'm not Dutch, and it's not about teaming up. It's about having a difference of opinion and you can't take it. Deal with it.

It's not the case hence his post makes no sense. You didn't state an opinion in your posts reacted to me by the way. You just attacked the Contador vs Gesink thing.

If VDB was unimpressive at the Dauphiné last year then you have way too high expectations. You're expecting him to drop Contador in the mountains then.

 

[theyoungest]

Resorting to personal attacks now are we? Classy.

Let's just figure out who the dumb one is. He never said Jurgen was the third best climber, YOU said that. He thought Jurgen was worse than TJVG and Coppel. If that is the case then yes, that is unimpressive.

Finally, I'm not Dutch, and it's not about teaming up. It's about having a difference of opinion and you can't take it. Deal with it.

Oops... Pistrollero fail.

 

[Spine Concept]

It's not the case hence his post makes no sense. You didn't state an opinion in your posts reacted to me by the way. You just attacked the Contador vs Gesink thing.

Ahh... A taste of your own medicine. Are you too dumb to make the connection? In my head it all makes sense I swear. You're pathetic.

 

[Spine Concept]

Oops... Pistrollero fail.

That's what he gets for being presumptuous.

 

[El Pistolero]

1 Janez Brajkovič (SLO) Team RadioShack 28h 06' 28"
2 Alberto Contador (ESP) Astana + 1' 41"
3 Tejay van Garderen (USA) Team HTC-Columbia + 2' 41"
4 Jurgen Van Den Broeck (BEL) Omega Pharma-Lotto + 3' 46"
5 Jérôme Coppel (FRA) Saur-Sojasun + 4' 17"
6 Nicolas Vogondy (FRA) Bbox Bouygues Telecom + 4' 23"
7 Christophe Riblon (FRA) Ag2r-La Mondiale + 4' 23"
8 Pierre Rolland (FRA) Bbox Bouygues Telecom + 6' 16"
9 Chris Horner (USA) Team RadioShack + 6' 20"
10 Sylwester Szmyd (POL) Liquigas-Doimo + 6' 57

I really don't see what's the problem with saying VDB did an impressive Dauphiné in the mountains. No Coppel wasn't better and Tejay wasn't better in the mountains as well. In the time trials he made up all the time on him.

But when someone goes on to say Gesink lost the Tour de Suisse to Frank Schleck all hell breaks lose because Gesink was soo much better(But Gesink wasn't trying right?)

Alpe Dhuez stage:

Alberto Contador (ESP) Astana 4h 31' 01"
2 Janez Brajkovič (SLO) Team RadioShack s.t.
3 Sylwester Szmyd (POL) Liquigas-Doimo + 17"
4 Jérôme Coppel (FRA) Saur-Sojasun + 24"
5 Jurgen Van Den Broeck (BEL) Omega Pharma-Lotto + 40"
6 Christophe Moreau (FRA) Caisse d'Epargne + 1' 17"
7 Christophe Riblon (FRA) Ag2r-La Mondiale + 1' 18"
8 Samuel Sánchez (ESP) Euskaltel-Euskadi + 1' 18"
9 Nicolas Vogondy (FRA) Bbox Bouygues Telecom + 1' 18"
10 Chris Horner (USA) Team RadioShack + 1' 2

No Tejay to see there
Risoul stage:
1 Nicolas Vogondy (FRA) Bbox Bouygues Telecom 6h 03' 25"
2 Romain Sicard (FRA) Euskaltel-Euskadi + 12"
3 Janez Brajkovič (SLO) Team RadioShack + 15"
4 Alberto Contador (ESP) Astana + 15"
5 Rein Taaramäe (EST) Cofidis + 18"
6 Pierre Rolland (FRA) Bbox Bouygues Telecom + 18"
7 Jurgen Van Den Broeck (BEL) Omega Pharma-Lotto + 18"
8 Eros Capecchi (ITA) Footon-Servetto-Fuji + 18"
9 Rémi Pauriol (FRA) Cofidis + 23"
10 Denis Menchov (RUS) Rabobank + 23"

No Tejay or Coppel there. But ok I'll give in, Tejay and Coppel were much better at the Dauphiné than VDB

Take Contador away and only Brajkovic climbed better consistently.

 

[theyoungest]

But when someone goes on to say Gesink lost the Tour de Suisse to Frank Schleck all hell breaks lose because Gesink was soo much better(But Gesink wasn't trying right?)

Congrats. You've just managed to find an analogy that makes even less sense than the previous ones.

 

[El Pistolero]

Congrats. You've just managed to find an analogy that makes even less sense than the previous ones.

But surely he musn't have been trying as his tt form was so bad.

No, that was just sarcasm. No analogy.

 

[Spine Concept]

It's pretty black and white as far as I'm concerned. His TTing just wasn't good enough at the time. So yes, he did lose it to Schleck in the TT. What's all the fuss about?

Admittedly, I haven't been here long enough to know everyone's position on everything. Thus you can excuse me if I'm overlooking something or someone.

 

[El Pistolero]

It's pretty black and white as far as I'm concerned. His TTing just wasn't good enough at the time. So yes, he did lose it to Schleck in the TT. What's all the fuss about?

Yes, his tt was bad. His climbing was great(better than VDB at DL)

VDB climbing at Dauphine was pretty good. His tt was bad(but not as bad as that tt in TDS of Gesink)

There's no fuss. I just find D_T's post to be unjust and well it's just wrong. I don't find it to be unimpressive to be third best climber in a race behind Contador. Apparently D_T does think that.

If I called Gesink unimpressive at TDS because he finished fifth(or something) yes I'll get a lot of hate here... So why make an exception when someone does the same but to another cyclist?

 

[Spine Concept]

Yes, his tt was bad. His climbing was great(better than VDB at DL)

VDB climbing at Dauphine was pretty good. His tt was bad(but not as bad as that tt in TDS of Gesink)

There's no fuss. I just find D_T's post to be unjust and well it's just wrong. I don't find it to be unimpressive to be third best climber in a race behind Contador. Apparently D_T does think that.

If I called Gesink unimpressive at TDS because he finished fifth(or something) yes I'll get a lot of hate here... So why make an exception when someone does the same but to another cyclist?

Mate, I never said Jurgen was unimpressive at the Dauphine last year. I was just questioning your knee-jerk reaction to D_T's post, that's all. However, I tend to lose all sense of common courtesy when someone insults me personally whilst there is no need. I like Jurgen and I really hope he does well at the Dauphine and the Tour.

 

[El Pistolero]

Mate, I never said Jurgen was unimpressive at the Dauphine last year. I was just questioning your knee-jerk reaction to D_T's post, that's all. However, I tend to lose all sense of common courtesy when someone insults me personally whilst there is no need. I like Jurgen and I really hope he does well at the Dauphine and the Tour.

The unimpressive part is about D_T's post, not against you.
I was just explaining the situation in my post. What was the knee-jerk reaction? Saying Contador is better than Gesink(I know it's stating the obvious)?

I just put Contador in there to point out it's no shame to finish second or third behind him. But perhaps you didn't understand.

 

[Spine Concept]

The unimpressive part is about D_T's post, not directed directly at you.
I was just explaining the situation in my post. What was the knee-jerk reaction? Saying Contador is better than Gesink(I know it's stating the obvious)?

I just put Contador in there to point out it's no shame to finish second or third behind him. But perhaps you didn't understand.

You said it. Let's just end this here mate. There is no need to drag this on really. This topic was always going to be a silly perpetual back and forth between the Belgians and the Dutch leading to nowhere really.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

Such a shame Boterkoek and Dutchies have to start fighting in every thread about Dutchies/Belgians

 

[Spine Concept]

Such a shame Boterkoek and Dutchies have to start fighting in every thread about Dutchies/Belgians

Meh, it was bound to happen. Could have called it from the start. It's a two way street though to be fair.

 

[Spine Concept]

Even though I like Gesink and I voted for him based on growth potential and his seemingly improved TT abilities it would be quite funny if Jurgen finishes higher than him - which is surely in the realm of possibility - seeing the overwhelming victory for Gesink on this poll.