Tour of Britain - 11th to 18th September - Race Thread

[Anonymous]

I think you have the riders to thank for that. No idea whats got into them all but this constant attacking makes great racing.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Zanini also won the Amstel Gold Race, so you might have a slightly misguided concept of him.

More importantly, Zanini never won the Tour of Britain. Stop looking up races in Wikipedia, misreading the results and using them anyway to support your ill-conceived points.

The guy is a sprinter and lead out man. Yes he won Amstel Gold but friere goes well in AGR and he is a sprinter. Zanini actually won on the Champs Elysees in 2000 so the guy would have to be a sprinter to win on there.

TSF, I will admit this edition has been better than the tdu, but time of year does makes a difference. The Tdu in the last 4 editions always attracts big riders. but because of the time of the year, the difficult conditions due to heat (40oC >) and geographically the tdu can't put in the tougher stages.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Alexander Vinokourov won on the Champs-Elysées in 2005, are we to contend that he is a sprinter too?

 

[Ferminal]

Alexander Vinokourov won on the Champs-Elysées in 2005, are we to contend that he is a sprinter too?

No, as he never won the ToB

I think that's how the logic works.

 

[Kwibus]

I think you have the riders to thank for that. No idea whats got into them all but this constant attacking makes great racing.

Vacansoleil is garanteed attacking.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Only just caught up. Another day of peloton carnage. Riders everywhere.
The cream is rising to the top and it appears to be Dutch!
Once again, Vacansoleil show why they should be first on anybody's wildcard list. Pro cycling's dynamite!
Great to see both Johnny Hoogerland and Richie Porte in classment jerseys.

Edit: JH and Dan Martin off up the road again, today.
Tony Martin has climbed off.

 

[hrotha]

The guy is a sprinter and lead out man. Yes he won Amstel Gold but friere goes well in AGR and he is a sprinter. Zanini actually won on the Champs Elysees in 2000 so the guy would have to be a sprinter to win on there.

TSF, I will admit this edition has been better than the tdu, but time of year does makes a difference. The Tdu in the last 4 editions always attracts big riders. but because of the time of the year, the difficult conditions due to heat (40oC >) and geographically the tdu can't put in the tougher stages.

So if Bettini had been slightly faster (only slightly faster, mind you) and decided to contend bunch sprints, that would suddenly make him just a sprinter and not a strong classics rider? How did Freire win the 1999 WC again? Or any other WC for that matter, although he won the other two in small(ish) group finishes without any pure sprinters (except for Zabel, who was a similar kind of rider).

 

[Jamsque]

Only just caught up. Another day of peloton carnage. Riders everywhere.
The cream is rising to the top and it appears to be Dutch!
Once again, Vacansoleil show why they should be first on anybody's wildcard list. Pro cycling's dynamite!
Great to see both Johnny Hoogerland and Richie Porte in classment jerseys.

Edit: JH and Dan Martin off up the road again, today.
Tony Martin has climbed off.

What is Dan Martin eating for breakfast? He looks like Danilo Di Luca did last year, he is just attacking every single day. Watch out for him at Lombardia.

 

[theyoungest]

This time Hoogie's plan might work, as Tony Martin has abandoned the race, so it's up to Andre Greipel to do the pulling in the peloton

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Problem: boredom

Solution: Vacansoleil. See also ISD-NERI.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Alexander Vinokourov won on the Champs-Elysées in 2005, are we to contend that he is a sprinter too?

now your just being plain stupid.

So if Bettini had been slightly faster (only slightly faster, mind you) and decided to contend bunch sprints, that would suddenly make him just a sprinter and not a strong classics rider? How did Freire win the 1999 WC again? Or any other WC for that matter, although he won the other two in small(ish) group finishes without any pure sprinters (except for Zabel, who was a similar kind of rider).

I don't see the relevance of your point at all.

 

[craig1985]

I see Jack Bauer finished in the top 5. What a champ.

 

[Jamsque]

Problem: boredom

Solution: Vacansoleil. See also ISD-NERI.

One thing the ToB organisers get consistently right is the teams they invite to the race. The smaller Dutch and Italian squads are always good value.

 

[hrotha]

now your just being plain stupid.


I don't see the relevance of your point at all.

You don't? Let me dumb it down then:
1- You claimed this is a sprinters race. You supported this by saying Zanini won it (even though he didn't)
2- I claimed Zanini, while being a sprinter, was also a strong classics rider who won Amstel Gold Race (and also the Volta a Portugal, by the way EXCEPT APPARENTLY HE DIDN'T -edited). Look at this bunch sprint (not shown in the picture: Gewiss's, ah, performance-enhancing thingies)
3- I compared him to Bettini and Freire to help you understand.

So I don't see what part is hard to follow.

 

[auscyclefan94]

You don't? Let me dumb it down then:
1- You claimed this is a sprinters race. You supported this by saying Zanini won it (even though he didn't)
2- I claimed Zanini, while being a sprinter, was also a strong classics rider who won Amstel Gold Race (and also the Volta a Portugal, by the way). Look at this bunch sprint (not shown in the picture: Gewiss's, ah, performance-enhancing thingies)
3- I compared him to Bettini and Freire to help you understand.

So I don't see what part is hard to follow.

1,2- Zanini is a sprinter, friere goes well in amstel gold. I admit my source was bad with the ToB result

Ok I admit that ToB this year owns any edition of Tdu but you still fail to recognise that Tdu can not put in the tougher route because of the date, weather and many other factors.

 

[roundabout]

While you make a valid point, i'm afraid Zanini never won the Volta a Portugal.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Freire has won Tirreno-Adriatico. Is that a sprinters' race?

 

[hrotha]

1,2- Zanini is a sprinter, friere goes well in amstel gold. I admit my source was bad with the ToB result

I already responded to the Freire bit in a previous post.

While you make a valid point, i'm afraid Zanini never won the Volta a Portugal.

My mistake. I saw it mentioned in two different sources so I assumed it was legit.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I already responded to the Freire bit in a previous post.

My mistake. I saw it mentioned in two different sources so I assumed it was legit.

I guess we all make mistakes like that

Freire has won Tirreno-Adriatico. Is that a sprinters' race?

The edition he won certainly was!

 

[hrotha]

I guess we all make mistakes like that

Of course we all do, but it took me all of 2 minutes to admit I was wrong, while you're still arguing back for some reason.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Of course we all do, but it took me all of 2 minutes to admit I was wrong, while you're still arguing back for some reason.

I was never arguing the fact that Zanini never won it! get your facts right!

 

[hrotha]

I was never arguing the fact that Zanini never won it! get your facts right!

No, but you're still arguing that Zanini was just a pure sprinter and that the ToB is a sprinters race.

 

[theyoungest]

Meanwhile, over in Britain, there's a race going on, and I don't really understand the race situation... 8 riders in front, but what about Hoogie? Vanished into thin air?

 

[sublimit]

Not sure where Hoogerland is.

In break - B Wiggins (SKY) L S Haedo (SAX) D Martin (GRM) I Camano (EDR) M Frapporti (COG) P Ghyllebert (SKT) H Haussler (CTT) M Golas (VAC) with 4.30 at the moment.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Meanwhile, over in Britain, there's a race going on, and I don't really understand the race situation... 8 riders in front, but what about Hoogie? Vanished into thin air?

Yes, this "debate" is actually trolling and ruining the continuity of the thread.
Johhny H must be back in the pack.
No way they could allow him to get over 4 minutes up the road.