Tour of Utah, August 17-22

[Dekker_Tifosi]

4 minutes behind

And??? He's 19 for freakin sake

 

[boardhanger]

Boswell already shows more stage race promise than Lance ever did before his Ferrari days.

OMG a Lance comparision already!!??

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

OMG a Lance comparision already!!??

Gotta please the fanboys.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

And??? He's 19 for freakin sake

Exactly. Stupid comment from boardhanger.

 

[boardhanger]

Exactly. Stupid comment from boardhanger.

What? I'm pretty levelheaded with comments. Explain?

 

[heythorp]

ok after a few beers

Boswell already shows more stage race promise than Lance ever did before his Ferrari days.

My response here.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=320566&posted=1#post320566l]

 

[hrotha]

4 minutes behind

4 minutes behind Leipheimer (who, let's face it, is still a very good rider, even if he's gifted with the charisma of your average fingernail) and 1 and a half behind Mancebo. I says, looking good.

 

[woodburn]

Stage 5 results
1 Jai CRAWFORD (Fly V Australia) 4.27'10" - 10"
2 Levi LEIPHEIMER (Mellow Johnny's) - 6"
3 Francisco MANCEBO PEREZ (Canyon Bicycles) + 1'00" - 4"
4 Alex HAGMAN (On The Rivet)
5 Jonathan MCCARTY (Rio Grande) + 1'03"
6 Benjamin KING (Trek-LIVESTRONG) + 1'21"
7 Lachlan MORTON (Holowesko Partners)
8 Ian BOSWELL (BISSELL Pro Cycling)
9 Matthew COOKE (teamgive p/b Blackbottoms/KFAN) + 2'18"
10 Davide FRATTINI (Team Type 1) + 2'28"

Final General Classification
1 Levi LEIPHEIMER (Mellow Johnny's) 12.39'40"
2 Francisco MANCEBO PEREZ (Canyon Bicycles) + 2'30"
3 Ian BOSWELL (BISSELL Pro Cycling) + 3'56"
4 Jai CRAWFORD (Fly V Australia) + 3'58"
5 Darren LILL (Fly V Australia) + 4'32"
6 Jonathan MCCARTY (Rio Grande) + 4'36"
7 Lachlan MORTON (Holowesko Partners) + 5'08"
8 Alex HAGMAN (On The Rivet + 5'48"
9 Cesar GRAJALES (On The Rivet) + 6'56"
10 Tyler WREN (Jamis/Sutter Home p/b Colavita) + 7'07"

Only half the riders finished @theTourofUtah #ToU10

Lachlan Morton is only 17. Vaughters compared his performance to LeMond.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

My response here.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=320566&posted=1#post320566l]

Nobody's going to click on that because nobody cares, 9-post wonder.

 

[heythorp]

Nobody's going to click on that because nobody cares, 9-post wonder.

Thanks for proving my point! But i know you did click on it.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

4 minutes behind Leipheimer (who, let's face it, is still a very good rider, even if he's gifted with the charisma of your average fingernail) and 1 and a half behind Mancebo. I says, looking good.

Exactly. Rolling one's eyes because Boswell finished 4 minutes behind LL on a race like this is absolutely stupid.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Thanks for proving my point! But i know you did click on it.

Actually, I really didn't. But if it makes you feel better to think otherwise, please do.

 

[kurtinsc]

Boswell already shows more stage race promise than Lance ever did before his Ferrari days.

I'm not super familiar with what the routes were like... but Lance did finish high in several US stage races early in his career. Tour Dupont, West Virginia Classic... I don't know how those would compare to the Tour of Utah in terms of the route and the competition, but Lance as getting podiums in them prior to his Ferrari days.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I'm not super familiar with what the routes were like... but Lance did finish high in several US stage races early in his career. Tour Dupont, West Virginia Classic... I don't know how those would compare to the Tour of Utah in terms of the route and the competition, but Lance as getting podiums in them prior to his Ferrari days.

Lance was 24 when he won his first Tour du Pont, I believe, though he finished 2nd the year earlier.

Boswell is 19.

 

[hrotha]

Lance was 24 when he won his first Tour du Pont, I believe, though he finished 2nd the year earlier.

Boswell is 19.

He was also 3rd in 1993, but again, he wasn't almost a friggin' junior rider.

 

[kurtinsc]

Lance was 24 when he won his first Tour du Pont, I believe, though he finished 2nd the year earlier.

Boswell is 19.

Not what you said though... you said "pre-ferrari".

And he was 2nd in the Tour DuPont in 1993 which would have made him 21 or 22.

Won the Fitchburg Longsjo Classic stage race in 1992, his 2nd year on the bike. Davis Phinney, Chris Horner, Tyler Hamilton and Wayne Stetine have won it in the past as well... for what it's worth.

Lance did show some stage racing ability early in his career. Enough to project a TDF win? No, probably not. But he wasn't completely devoid of results.

 

[kurtinsc]

Lance also won the Settimana Ciclistica Lombarda his first year racing... he would have been 19 I think.. turning 20 later in the year. The guy who won it in the following year was Pavel Tonkov... who went on to win the young rider classification of the Giro that same year... and later win the Giro have 3 other GT podiums.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Not what you said though... you said "pre-ferrari".

And he was 2nd in the Tour DuPont in 1993 which would have made him 21 or 22.

Won the Fitchburg Longsjo Classic stage race in 1992, his 2nd year on the bike. Davis Phinney, Chris Horner, Tyler Hamilton and Wayne Stetine have won it in the past as well... for what it's worth.

Lance did show some stage racing ability early in his career. Enough to project a TDF win? No, probably not. But he wasn't completely devoid of results.

Well spotted.

It should be highlighted that Merckx and Hinault, Pantani, Anquetil, Roche, Tonkov, Indurain, you etc never won the 'Fitchburg Longsjo Classic'..... a glaring gap in their palmares.

The TdU is a demanding course - Boswell certainly earned his result and a 'one to watch' tag......... but Lachlan Morton fifth at just 17?! Woooh.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Not what you said though... you said "pre-ferrari".

And he was 2nd in the Tour DuPont in 1993 which would have made him 21 or 22.

Won the Fitchburg Longsjo Classic stage race in 1992, his 2nd year on the bike. Davis Phinney, Chris Horner, Tyler Hamilton and Wayne Stetine have won it in the past as well... for what it's worth.

Lance did show some stage racing ability early in his career. Enough to project a TDF win? No, probably not. But he wasn't completely devoid of results.

A fair point, though I certainly don't remember Lance winning or placing in such a mountainous stage race early in his career. Does anyone?

The Fitchburg Longsjo Classic? Is that the race held at the mind-bending altitude of 500 feet? Seriously.

Nobody said the guy didn't have results. He was WC in 1991. Just no results that would illustrate the climbing prowess needed for stage races (other than flat ones) that apparently Boswell has shown at 19.

 

[theyoungest]

Lance also won the Settimana Ciclistica Lombarda his first year racing... he would have been 19 I think.. turning 20 later in the year. The guy who won it in the following year was Pavel Tonkov... who went on to win the young rider classification of the Giro that same year... and later win the Giro have 3 other GT podiums.

Winning the Settimana Lombarda at 19, I think you've shown to have at least some talent for stage racing, and certainly for climbing. Some winners of the last few years: Scarponi, Di Luca, Ricco, and Gesink (also at 19 years old, BTW).

 

[DAOTEC]

31 big pictures that tell the whole story of yesterday, where half DNF


http://www.steephill.tv/2010/tour-of-utah/photos/stage-05/

I'll pick out one >

What are them looking at ...

 

[kurtinsc]

A fair point, though I certainly don't remember Lance winning or placing in such a mountainous stage race early in his career. Does anyone?

The Fitchburg Longsjo Classic? Is that the race held at the mind-bending altitude of 500 feet? Seriously.

Nobody said the guy didn't have results. He was WC in 1991. Just no results that would illustrate the climbing prowess needed for stage races (other than flat ones) that apparently Boswell has shown at 19.

As I said... I'm looking at results, I have no clue about the terrain in these races. Heck, the Tour DuPont is around Delaware isn't it? I don't know what kind of hills it has either.

As I said, other winners of Fitchburg included some solid climbers.

And there is the other race I listed which you didn't comment on. Lance did apparently win the Settimana Ciclistica Lombarda at 19. Considering the other riders who have won that race, I'd say it ranks a bit ahead of the Tour of Utah... and it does seem to be a solid predictor of GT success.

1972 - Fausto Bertoglio - won the giro
1976 - Vittorio Algeri - finished 2nd in Giro young riders classification
1980 - Czeslaw Lang - 3rd in Giro young riders classification
1984 - Flavio Giupponi - 2nd overall in Giro
1986 - Zenon Jaskuła - 3rd overall in Tour
1989 - Ivan Ivanov - 6th overall in Vuelta
1991 - Lance Armstrong
1992/1996 - Pavel Tonkov - Won Giro
1993 - Enrico Zaina - 2nd in Giro
1994 - Raimondas Rumšas - 5th in Vuelta
2000/2001 - Serhiy Honchar - 2nd in Giro
2002 - Tadej Valjavec - 9th in Giro
2004/2010 - Michele Scarponi - 4th in Giro
2005 - Riccardo Riccò - 2nd in Giro
2006 - Robert Gesink - 6th in Tour/Vuelta
2008 - Danillo DiLuca - won Giro


Can we at least admit that winning that race at 19 may perhaps have been a bigger indicator of GC potential then finishing 3rd in the Tour of Utah at 19?

 

[Dedelou]

As I said... I'm looking at results, I have no clue about the terrain in these races. Heck, the Tour DuPont is around Delaware isn't it? I don't know what kind of hills it has either.

As I said, other winners of Fitchburg included some solid climbers.

And there is the other race I listed which you didn't comment on. Lance did apparently win the Settimana Ciclistica Lombarda at 19. Considering the other riders who have won that race, I'd say it ranks a bit ahead of the Tour of Utah... and it does seem to be a solid predictor of GT success.

1972 - Fausto Bertoglio - won the giro
1976 - Vittorio Algeri - finished 2nd in Giro young riders classification
1980 - Czeslaw Lang - 3rd in Giro young riders classification
1984 - Flavio Giupponi - 2nd overall in Giro
1986 - Zenon Jaskuła - 3rd overall in Tour
1989 - Ivan Ivanov - 6th overall in Vuelta
1991 - Lance Armstrong
1992/1996 - Pavel Tonkov - Won Giro
1993 - Enrico Zaina - 2nd in Giro
1994 - Raimondas Rumšas - 5th in Vuelta
2000/2001 - Serhiy Honchar - 2nd in Giro
2002 - Tadej Valjavec - 9th in Giro
2004/2010 - Michele Scarponi - 4th in Giro
2005 - Riccardo Riccò - 2nd in Giro
2006 - Robert Gesink - 6th in Tour/Vuelta
2008 - Danillo DiLuca - won Giro


Can we at least admit that winning that race at 19 may perhaps have been a bigger indicator of GC potential then finishing 3rd in the Tour of Utah at 19?

I admit.. i swear. But to what ?
Winning at 19 has to be some sort of indicator , but i am not sure that winning a particular race predict that much for future "specialization" I remember Georges Hincapie winning in Vermont races but he was never the mountain goat that might predict. He did however win a mountain stage of the TDF. ( was there pave in the last kilometer of the Tourmalet that year?)

 

[kurtinsc]

I admit.. i swear. But to what ?
Winning at 19 has to be some sort of indicator , but i am not sure that winning a particular race predict that much for future "specialization" I remember Georges Hincapie winning in Vermont races but he was never the mountain goat that might predict. He did however win a mountain stage of the TDF. ( was there pave in the last kilometer of the Tourmalet that year?)

Moose likes to think Lance never showed any stage race promise prior to his time with Ferrari.

While to some level I agree that there weren't a lot of strong indicators that he'd be a dominant Tour rider, I do think it's false to state he didn't show any promise for stage races. His focus was obviously more toward hilly classics races and stages... but saying a guy finishing 3rd at te Tour of Utah at 19 shows more promise in stage races then a guy who won the Settimana Ciclistica Lombarda at 19 is simply false.

It's a nice result for the kid. But no... he hasn't shown any more then Lance did at the same age... or even an equal amount.

 

[Highlander]

Am I the only one who is confused about how this thread about the Tour of Utah became yet another Lance thread? I know that people are drawing comparisons to Boswell, but give it a rest already. Talk about the actual race and move on to another thread if that is all that you care about.