Track star to GT hero

[Pentacycle]

This thread is still up and running?
Unbelievable.

Luke Durbridge (huge first pro road season)
Cameron Meyer (climbing well and contesting the GC in T-A)
Jack Bobridge
Michael Mørkøv (all over the Giro like a rash)
Jesse Sergent
Sam Bewley

Now joined by Rohan Dennis (5th in his first WT stage race)
Michael Hepburn
Lasse Norman Hansen (dark Danish horse for the future)

I mean the track: wtf?
UK, Oz, Denmark. Possibly add Russia, NZ and Belgium and that's it.

That's one heck of a lot of pursuit riders who will or have made very successful road transitions, from a very small rider pool.

Total troll of a thread.

This thread is total nonsense, totally unnecessary with all the Sky/Wiggo/Froome threads around idd.
But the guys you name won't win a GT, except maybe Rohan Dennis. Wiggins is THE exception as he's actually become a GT contender while other track riders lacked the talent, or aren't able to lose much weight anymore. Many of those Aussie trackies are already 68-70 kgs while Wiggins had an extra 10 kgs hanging around which he suddenly lost and in fact never needed in the first place if you look at this year's results. But that needs to be discussed in the Sky thread, Wiggo's the only with suspicious performances and development at relatively old age.

 

[Joachim]

This thread is total nonsense

Of course it is.

The most important part of this thread is the OP, because of course the way the question is structured will determine the validity of the answers. If you look closely, there isn't really a question. At best it is ambiguous, leaving the reader to make assumptions. It is quite deliberate, the OP is leading you into a petitio principii fallacy, where the conclusion is included in the premise.

This obfuscation allows thehog to engage in some very clumsy sophistry, not least using terminology that he demonstrably does not understand in the hope that neither will his readers.

There are plenty of examples of this on this board. Take the "Basso suggests Doping?" thread. Take off the question mark and you can see what he's up to.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

This obfuscation allows thehog to engage in some very clumsy sophistry, not least using terminology that he demonstrably does not understand in the hope that neither will his readers.

I think most of Hog's readers know perfectly well that he makes a lot of stuff up and misrepresents a lot of other stuff. It's good entertainment, if truth be told, not that Hog does much of this...

 

[theyoungest]

This thread is total nonsense, totally unnecessary with all the Sky/Wiggo/Froome threads around idd.
But the guys you name won't win a GT, except maybe Rohan Dennis. Wiggins is THE exception as he's actually become a GT contender while other track riders lacked the talent, or aren't able to lose much weight anymore. Many of those Aussie trackies are already 68-70 kgs while Wiggins had an extra 10 kgs hanging around which he suddenly lost and in fact never needed in the first place if you look at this year's results. But that needs to be discussed in the Sky thread, Wiggo's the only with suspicious performances and development at relatively old age.

Rohan Dennis is the only one who hasn't had the chance yet to fail on the European stage, but nothing he's done so far suggests to me he's a better climber than Bobridge or certainly Meyer. This doesn't mean that Dennis couldn't prove to be the exception, of course.

 

[Benotti69]

This thread is total nonsense,

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Wiggo's the only with suspicious performances and development at relatively old age.

Of course it is.

<snip>.

selective quoting is great

He won the Giro. Is there evidence that he blood doped for the Giro? This has come up before and a general conclusion iirc was that logistically it was pretty unlikely. Also, EPO? He won the Giro in 84 so that would be in advance of any early EPO adopters I have heard of by a few years.

That Giro was designed for Moser. Sean Kelly said he would've won that Giro it was so flat but couldn't ride it as he was riding on a Spanish team and it was not on their list of races.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

selective quoting is great



That Giro was designed for Moser. Sean Kelly said he would've won that Giro it was so flat but couldn't ride it as he was riding on a Spanish team and it was not on their list of races.

Yes, at least no one ever said that the last Tour was practically made for Wiggins with all the TTing in it and few(er) MTFs.

 

[Joachim]

I think most of Hog's readers know perfectly well that he makes a lot of stuff up and misrepresents a lot of other stuff. It's good entertainment, if truth be told, not that Hog does much of this...

I suppose you could say it doesn't matter and it is just a bit of fun.

How much it matters depends on the harm that it is doing. Personally, I think that if you are going to publically accuse somebody of being a cheat and a liar, you'd better have a pretty good case, even more so if you haven't even got the balls to publish the accusations under your own name.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

I suppose you could say it doesn't matter and it is just a bit of fun.

How much it matters depends on the harm that it is doing. Personally, I think that if you are going to publically accuse somebody of being a cheat and a liar, you'd better have a pretty good case, even more so if you haven't even got the balls to publish the accusations under your own name.

Hog's waffle doesn't do much harm, I'd say. Anyone previously unfamiliar with his "work" who encountered this thread as part of serious research into Wiggo's career progression would come to the obvious conclusion within about 5 minutes.

 

[Suedehead]

How do you think riders like Lemond,Hinault,Indurain,Ullrich etc would have done had they specialised at individual pursuit before concentrating on road?

Hnault has a few National titles in the IP as a young man (74-76). I think he also contested a world championship on the track (74) as well but failed. He was also keen to turn pro in 75, so he couldn't be forced into the 76 olympic team. His aim was bigger than the olympics.

 

[oldcrank]

Steven Bauer is a cyclist whose track results equaled
his TdF results just like Sir BMW. Bauer had a 4th in
the points race at the 1981 Worlds and seven years
later finished fourth in the Tour.