Track World Champs

[Samu Cuenca]

Someone had already awarded Hoogland the sprint silver medal on Wikipedia. That didn't quite work out (whoever added it obviously meant the the 1 km time trial, but still a funny mistake).

 

[awavey]

ok is TNTs live coverage delayed, as I feel like Ive been watching it (second screen admittedly) for a while but like when did the madison happen ?

 

[awavey]

nope its just the BC social media accounts have taken ages to catch up, I was watching the darts when it was on

 

[Samu Cuenca]

ok is TNTs live coverage delayed, as I feel like Ive been watching it (second screen admittedly) for a while but like when did the madison happen ?

It's getting close to an hour since it finished. The medals are being awarded now.

 

[awavey]

It's getting close to an hour since it finished. The medals are being awarded now.

yeah, its weird BC have literally only just tweeted about it whilst the medal ceremony was on, so saw that,but must have switched over just after the race as Ive literally been watching the past hour in the background, but the darts tooks precedence thats why I missed it

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Niklas Larsen losing out on a medal, maybe more, because he decided to close the gap to the peloton instead of waiting and sprinting for points with Leitão and Torres (the race could of course very well have gone differently if he had scored those extra points). He would also have been champion if Bleddyn hadn't gone for those 10 points that only resulted in a top 10 position. My man has been robbed.

 

[Danskebjerge]

Niklas Larsen losing out on a medal, maybe more, because he decided to close the gap to the peloton instead of waiting and sprinting for points with Leitão and Torres (the race could of course very well have gone differently if he had scored those extra points). He would also have been champion if Bleddyn hadn't gone for those 10 points that only resulted in a top 10 position. My man has been robbed.

That was one of the most bitter 4th places I've ever witnessed. Not only does he lose a podium by getting overtaken at the finish line by a rider who isn't in contention for anything. He also loses the gold medal because of that (according to what I've read).

The only "mitigating circumstance" is that when you're more a less leading a group for the last five laps (which Larsen was forced to), chances are you're going to lose the sprint.

 

[Sorped]

Niklas Larsen losing out on a medal, maybe more, because he decided to close the gap to the peloton instead of waiting and sprinting for points with Leitão and Torres (the race could of course very well have gone differently if he had scored those extra points). He would also have been champion if Bleddyn hadn't gone for those 10 points that only resulted in a top 10 position. My man has been robbed.

I felt so bad for Larsen, he bossed that race.
Hopefully he'll have his revenge today with Lasse Norman-Leth!

 

[JR1012]

One of the last track rides for Viviani.
He will also ride one or two Six Day race.

 

[JR1012]

What an emotional last world title for Viviani.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Lovely send off for Viviani indeed, although he did look a lot like Dracula or Liberace with that cape on.

A nice gold medal for Acevedo and Mexico as well in the women's point race.

 

[Danskebjerge]

Madison ... a terrible discipline. Today's race is extremely chaotic. Some madison races may be good, but the concept often makes it hard to see how the teams are placed in relation to each other. It shouldn't be at the Olympics.

 

[KZD]

Lavreysen adding 4 more gold medals to his vast collection. He is to track sprinting what Pogačar is to stage races and hilly classics.

Acevedo giving Mexican cycling another reason to celebrate and Viviani having a fairytale ending to his career.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Madison ... a terrible discipline. Today's race is extremely chaotic. Some madison races may be good, but the concept often makes it hard to see how the teams are placed in relation to each other. It shouldn't be at the Olympics.

Hands down the most demanding track event both physically and mentally. If you can't follow it from the sidelines then you just don't know what you are looking at.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Lovely send off for Viviani indeed, although he did look a lot like Dracula or Liberace with that cape on.

A nice gold medal for Acevedo and Mexico as well in the women's point race.

Dracula and Liberace are not the same! Gotta go with Dracula!

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I was sure they hadn't got the scores right in the Madison, but those mistakes obviously had an impact on the racing. The Germans should keep their medal and then Denmark can get one as well

 

[Danskebjerge]

Hands down the most demanding track event both physically and mentally. If you can't follow it from the sidelines then you just don't know what you are looking at.

Even the organizers couldn't follow it. The result had to be corrected afterwards. The podium was changed. I don't think you watched the race?

 

[Danskebjerge]

I was sure they hadn't got the scores right in the Madison, but those mistakes obviously had an impact on the racing. The Germans should keep their medal and then Denmark can get one as well

A concept based on a peloton that sometimes isn't there - is a bad concept.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Even the organizers couldn't follow it. The result had to be corrected afterwards. The podium was changed. I don't think you watched the race?

I did and I thought Denmark was 3rd right from the start or actually from the end (of the race). There are rules and just because they were not initially applied properly doesn't make it a bad sport. You really must have a problem with Baseball, Basketball and Figure Skating those really depend on what the officials see.

 

[Danskebjerge]

There are rules and just because they were not initially applied properly doesn't make it a bad sport. You really must have a problem with Baseball, Basketball and Figure Skating those really depend on what the officials see.

It's not about rules, it's about clarity. If the playing field is confusing, if the contestants are mixed between each other, if there is a high risk of not getting the result right for the organizers, then it's a bad concept. Almost all other track disciplines are easy to understand and follow, so why keep one that isn't?

 

[awavey]

It's not about rules, it's about clarity. If the playing field is confusing, if the contestants are mixed between each other, if there is a high risk of not getting the result right for the organizers, then it's a bad concept. Almost all other track disciplines are easy to understand and follow, so why keep one that isn't?

Ignoring the mistake they made in the race, fwiw in person Madisons are surprisingly easy to follow who is doing what who's in the lead etc etc,and alot of fun to watch and see race.

What we've never managed to do is translate it on to tv, because the cameras follow the wrong things, the directors too busy trying to tell a story about something else and the commentators who are mostly just watching the same pictures we are get muddled and make more mistakes.

You'd think by now if we can put on screen graphics during a tour stage finish that shows who is who, it can't be impossible to create one that just shows who is leading the field round a velodrome. So when they cut to someone else you know they arent at the front and so on. Or even like a totem bar of the teams that's linked to transponders on the bikes that updates in real time like they have in motorsport

 

[Hugh Januss]

Ignoring the mistake they made in the race, fwiw in person Madisons are surprisingly easy to follow who is doing what who's in the lead etc etc,and alot of fun to watch and see race.

What we've never managed to do is translate it on to tv, because the cameras follow the wrong things, the directors too busy trying to tell a story about something else and the commentators who are mostly just watching the same pictures we are get muddled and make more mistakes.

You'd think by now if we can put on screen graphics during a tour stage finish that shows who is who, it can't be impossible to create one that just shows who is leading the field round a velodrome. So when they cut to someone else you know they arent at the front and so on. Or even like a totem bar of the teams that's linked to transponders on the bikes that updates in real time like they have in motorsport

Exactly! Also Danskebjerge's supposition that "there is a high risk of not getting the results right for the organizers" is wrong on more than one level, first of all officials are not the organizers or vice versa. Secondly the officials get it right in the vast majority of cases. It took a perfect storm of events for them to initially get it wrong in this case. Firstly if Germany would have chased sooner Denmark would have not gotten the lap, but just like Belgium and GB they thought that their position was secure (hell Belgium was already celebrating) because none of the teams off the front at that point, Portugal, US, Denmark and Spain had anywhere near enough points to move ahead of them. Denmark was off the back off the field at the bell which made them eligible for the points in the last sprint but then managed to catch enough teams on the final lap to officially be counted as lapping the field. You just don't see that kind of finish every day! The officials had to go back and study the video to determine that Denmark had actually gotten the lap. Had Denmark moved into the field a half lap sooner or won the 10 points for the sprint but failed to gain the lap Germany would have been 3rd.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Exactly! Also Danskebjerge's supposition that "there is a high risk of not getting the results right for the organizers" is wrong on more than one level, first of all officials are not the organizers or vice versa. Secondly the officials get it right in the vast majority of cases. It took a perfect storm of events for them to initially get it wrong in this case. Firstly if Germany would have chased sooner Denmark would have not gotten the lap, but just like Belgium and GB they thought that their position was secure (hell Belgium was already celebrating) because none of the teams off the front at that point, Portugal, US, Denmark and Spain had anywhere near enough points to move ahead of them. Denmark was off the back off the field at the bell which made them eligible for the points in the last sprint but then managed to catch enough teams on the final lap to officially be counted as lapping the field. You just don't see that kind of finish every day! The officials had to go back and study the video to determine that Denmark had actually gotten the lap. Had Denmark moved into the field a half lap sooner or won the 10 points for the sprint but failed to gain the lap Germany would have been 3rd.

Denmark didn't gain a lap at the end. They got it with the other teams around 100 laps before the finish, but the cameras were focusing on the group with Belgium, Germany and GB at the time and didn't catch that the Danes had bridged across from behind. They then got the 10 points at the line which meant they could jump ahead of the Germans. If they had been awarded a lap at the end, like Portugal incorrectly was at first, they would have finished second with 81 points while Belgium would have got 83 by finishing 4th instead of 5th in the final sprint.

However, the other countries were obviously not aware/sure the Danes had got that lap. There's no doubt it was a mess and that the commissaires didn't do a great job.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Denmark didn't gain a lap at the end. They got it with the other teams around 100 laps before the finish, but the cameras were focusing on the group with Belgium, Germany and GB at the time and didn't catch that the Danes had bridged across from behind. They then got the 10 points at the line which meant they could jump ahead of the Germans. If they had been awarded a lap at the end, like Portugal incorrectly was at first, they would have finished second with 81 points while Belgium would have got 83 by finishing 4th instead of 5th in the final sprint.

However, the other countries were obviously not aware/sure the Danes had got that lap. There's no doubt it was a mess and that the commissaires didn't do a great job.

Denmark is credited with 2 gained laps, they were on 1 gained lap going into the final sprint which is why the only 3 teams that had gained 2 laps Belgium, GB and Germany didn't chase them.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Denmark is credited with 2 gained laps, they were on 1 gained lap going into the final sprint which is why the only 3 teams that had gained 2 laps Belgium, GB and Germany didn't chase them.

Yes, but that was because they hadn't been credited with that lap gain earlier on like they should have been, which was why they protested afterwards. But as I wrote yesterday, the Germans should have received bronze medals, too, due to this mistake.