Transfers and Rumours 2011 > 2012

[dlwssonic]

He started winning more (although that already started at Lotto with his world championship, still by far his biggest win), but I don't think he has become a better rider, just a more attractive style, he hasn't shown the level he had in the 2007-2008 Tours in quite some time.

yes it all started with the worlds and he continued like that in BMC. But he has started winning more and he has changed from his days in lotto.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

really just admit that you have something against BMC. For gods sake this is thier 1st season give them a chance, obviously the jump form u23 cycling to professional is a hard one you cant expect them to start winning races already. And phinney has had a terrible season due to injury at least he came back and got 2nd on one of the romandie stages and a few other top 10s in california. Yes some of their riders have not done as well but look at evans, morabito and GVA their doing much better than they were in their previous teams.

Third season. First World Tour season. And last year because of Evans, Ballan and Hincapie they got to race pretty much every race they wanted to anyway. And they got punted from the Dwars Door Vlaanderen startlist for serving up too weak a team. And replaced by Xacobeo-Galicia.

BMC have got a lot of solid talents, but very little in the way of genuine winners. They have lots of people who can place well, but few that you can trust to make that step up to the top of the podium.

 

[Richeypen]

Last year was infinitely better than the year before (save forhis WC performance) but that wasnt hard. To say he is doing better now he is at BMC would completely ignore his results from 2007, 2008 which were on another level to what he has achieved with BMC.

 

[Lanark]

yes it all started with the worlds and he continued like that in BMC. But he has started winning more and he has changed from his days in lotto.

He has changed, but he hasn't become better. His time-trialing and climbing has gotten a lot worse the last couple of years, it looks more like he shifted his goals to things he can actually win. Van Avermaet is pretty much back on his 2008 level after a couple of disappointing seasons, although he already showed his recaptured form at the world championship in 2010.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

really just admit that you have something against BMC. For gods sake this is thier 1st season give them a chance, obviously the jump form u23 cycling to professional is a hard one you cant expect them to start winning races already. And phinney has had a terrible season due to injury at least he came back and got 2nd on one of the romandie stages and a few other top 10s in california. Yes some of their riders have not done as well but look at evans, morabito and GVA their doing much better than they were in their previous teams.

stopped reading right there

 

[dlwssonic]

Last year was infinitely better than the year before (save forhis WC performance) but that wasnt hard. To say he is doing better now he is at BMC would completely ignore his results from 2007, 2008 which were on another level to what he has achieved with BMC.

The difference is that he wins in lotto he was full of 2nd and 3rds but very little 1st. But in BMC he has been getting a lot of wins. There is a huge difference between a 2nd or 3rd and a 1st.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

yes it all started with the worlds and he continued like that in BMC. But he has started winning more and he has changed from his days in lotto.

since riding with bmc evans has only sucked in teh grand tours compared to lotto. evans hasn't been riding better at all

 

[dlwssonic]

stopped reading right there

Its just a typo

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

oh yeah what were you supposed to type then?? their 3st season??

 

[dlwssonic]

oh yeah what were you supposed to type then?? their 3st season??

I dont know wtf you are talking about. My typo was on their not 3rd.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I dont know wtf you are talking about. My typo was on their not 3rd.

So you meant to type that it was their 1st season?

 

[dlwssonic]

So you meant to type that it was their 1st season?

yes as i was talking about the young riders like phinney, yannick and roe. Not the BMC team.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

So you meant to type that it was their 1st season?

lol, what an idiot

 

[dlwssonic]

lol, what an idiot

maybe if you had more brains to read my post properly you will understand

 

[Libertine Seguros]

yes as i was talking about the young riders like phinney, yannick and roe. Not the BMC team.

OK. As you placed it directly after a reference to BMC I made the assumption, as have others, that "their" was referring back to BMC (as mentioned in the previous statement) rather than their neo-pros (as mentioned in the previous post).

 

[dlwssonic]

OK. As you placed it directly after a reference to BMC I made the assumption, as have others, that "their" was referring back to BMC (as mentioned in the previous statement) rather than their neo-pros (as mentioned in the previous post).

ok sorry minor mistake of mine. But i was quoting the post about the neo pros.

 

[Richeypen]

The difference is that he wins in lotto he was full of 2nd and 3rds but very little 1st. But in BMC he has been getting a lot of wins. There is a huge difference between a 2nd or 3rd and a 1st.

So you think that 1st in Romandie is better than 2nd in the Tour?

 

[LukeSchmid]

I'm still looking for Tim Roe to show something in the BMC jersey - thought he would have shown himself in some climbing stage by now.

He's a talent and hopefully BMC are able to help his development - and as others point out, they need mountain guys.

There was an article in the Adelaide Advertiser a week or so about Roe because he was back in Adelaide for a mid season couple of week break. He said that he was spending his time getting used to the increased pace of racing from what he had done before. He also said the team was looking to him to become a GC leader in time. His next race is the Tour of Austria. It is his first year so still plenty of time to show something.

You comment that BMC need mountain guys is of course very true. Hopefully Roe and Butler can develop and they recruit a couple of more.

 

[dlwssonic]

So you think that 1st in Romandie is better than 2nd in the Tour?

The difference is the competition wasnt as strong at that times. He is ageing too. He also was injured in tour 2010. Its also a change of approach. In lotto he wheelsucked more and rarely attacked and went for the win. But its different in BMC he has a more attacking approach. But he could win the vuelta.

 

[hrotha]

So you think that 1st in Romandie is better than 2nd in the Tour?

It is when you can't get a 1st in the Tour, you've already been 2nd in GTs a couple of times, you're 32 (at the end of 2009) and your palmares is a lot thinner than it should.

 

[dlwssonic]

It is when you can't get a 1st in the Tour, you've already been 2nd in GTs a couple of times, you're 32 (at the end of 2009) and your palmares is a lot thinner than it should.

exactly. and he has expanded his palmares in BMC.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

maybe if you had more brains to read my post properly you will understand

I'm sorry I misread your post. I thought you meant their first season as in bmc

 

[Richeypen]

It is when you can't get a 1st in the Tour, you've already been 2nd in GTs a couple of times, you're 32 (at the end of 2009) and your palmares is a lot thinner than it should.

Its not the point. He was saying that Cadel is better since he went to BMC which simply is not the case. He has changed his style yes, but he is not a better rider (more exciting to watch maybe).

 

[theyoungest]

From a Velonews interview with Andrew Talansky:

... finally Noel Dejonckheere left the U23 development team before the start of the season. He left to go to BMC and that was my opening with the U.S. team. People can say what they want about the guy, how he’s a great eye for talent, but I have never met the person. I have never said hello to him, but somehow he decided in his head that I wasn’t material for the team. He had told somebody that I would never make it. I don’t know if that was a decision he made based off seeing me at a race, I don’t know. He never talked to me, he never met me.

I don't know if Dejonckheere's current job at BMC is talent management, but it would explain a lot.

 

[dlwssonic]

I'm sorry I misread your post. I thought you meant their first season as in bmc

nevermine it was also my fault witht he phrasing.