Transfers and Rumours 2011 > 2012

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

As if Gesink is a proven winner in important races. Publicity wise obviously Gesink is a lot more important, but that doesn't make him the best cyclist.

That's not my point.

In the cobbles, which is Matti's main focus I suppose, his best performance in the big races is 6th @ flanders.

Not winnig necessary, but overall results and promise in fields.

Sure he has done good in a few semi-classics, but so has gesink.
Gesink also performs in the stage races (2 podiums in big WC races this year), has bigger results in the main classics (ardennes vs cobbles obv.) despite it not being his main focus. Gesink also has GT results, and shows more promise of growth then matti. Not to mention (again), the biggest goal for rabo is directed around Gesink GC.

We all know you dislike dutch riders, but if you think matti is the better cyclist you are more ignorant then I thought(trust me that is saying a lot).

LOL HAI Adam Blythe is argubley the best rider at lotto.

 

[El Pistolero]

Looking at numbers and not the context. He would of done a lot better in Flanders last year if it wasn't for the bike debacle.

I'll put it this way: I can see Breschel win the RVV and WC someday. I can't say the same about Gesink and LBL/Tour de France.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

As if Gesink is a proven winner in important races. Publicity wise obviously Gesink is a lot more important, but that doesn't make him the best cyclist.

And Freire won MSR+ Paris-Tours last year(guess what, better results than Gesink). That's like saying he was past it in 2009... Breschel definitely has more promise than Langeveld in the RVV. He's still young and was terribly unlucky last year and this year. His 2 medals at the WC shows he can handle the big races including the Monuments.

Langeveld is younger?
I see very little difference in thier potential, tho your anti-dutch tinted glasses might show a different picture.

Badluck is apart of teh cobble nature. We all know this. You don't think Langeveld has ever had bad luck in spring? lol.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Looking at numbers and not the context. He would of done a lot better in Flanders last year if it wasn't for the bike debacle.

I'll put it this way: I can see Breschel win the RVV and WC someday. I can't say the same about Gesink and LBL/Tour de France.

LMAO that is your assumption, that is no argument.

The facts and figures we have all suggest one thing;
Gesink is the better cyclist. Your assumptions (which seem infleunced by whom you like rather then logic) mean little.

And LOL your using badluck argument with gesink concerned... how about a mosquera crashing in front of gesink at vuelta.

 

[El Pistolero]

Not every thing of criticism of a Dutch rider is called hate. Sheesh, you're being overly protective of Dutch cyclists.

Guess what, Breschel has more promise in the RVV than Nick Nuyens and he won the damn thing. Oh, I'm I anti Belgian now? Breschel was looking very impressive at RVV last year. A lot better than what I've seen from Langeveld in the RVV.

And as long as Gesink keeps focusing on the Tour he'll have no chance at the Vuelta, no.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I'm not being over protective, your anti-dutch is obvious, many have noted so. even neutrals. But that isn't the point.

I called you on your claim that Breschel was the best cyclist they have, which was terrible insight on your behalf

 

[El Pistolero]

I said arguably the best one. Guess you still need to learn that word. I was well aware that some other people find Gesink the best and I'm not going to cry about that as they can make arguments as well(although yours are just lame and Dutch biased with your little Langeveld)

But you go in to crying mode whenever someone says something not totally positive about a Dutch cyclist. Yeah, people do have different opinions and not everyone thinks Gesink is the next big thing.

You said Rabo has Dutchies as best riders. Might be true this year, but every other year that was not the case. And this year isn't even over yet.

There's plenty of good foreign cyclists in Rabo now and in the past as well, so why wouldn't TJVG fit in? Because you say so?

Ps: You really need to find some new arguments instead of calling me obviously anti Dutch. It's getting boring. I like attacking cyclists, that has nothing to do with nationality. I couldn't give a crap about cyclists like Devolder or Gert Steegmans. And I find GVA a pretty dumb cyclist.

 

[theyoungest]

Plus an in form Matti Breschel is arguably the best cyclist of Rabobank.

Best classics rider, yes.

 

[El Pistolero]

Best classics rider, yes.

Don't worry, I wasn't claiming him to beat Gesink in a GT.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I said arguably the best one. Guess you still need to learn that word.

But you go in to crying mode whenever someone says something not totally positive about a Dutch cyclist. Yeah, people do have different opinions and not everyone thinks Gesink is the next big thing.

You said Rabo has Dutchies as best riders. Might be true this year, but every other year that was not the case. And this year isn't even over yet.

Not true actually, only when I see stupid posts. Coincedentally it's 97% you. You make riddicuilious comments constantly, no need to label me something because you cannot hack being called on it.

and dude my post was about this year anyway.
And I am basically just saying what the team has been focusing on. Dutch talent. That is obvious...
And go re-read my post, I said;

Their best riders / most promising

and that has been true for the past few years, and apparently will continue to be true with the likes of kelderman etc coming in.

My point was, there was no need to bring in non-dutch talent, as it is unecessary considering the current crop of riders, and the focus the team has. Was I wrong? Nope.

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anyway, what youngest said (best classic rider, I have no argument with that). Certainly not best all round.
But yeah, I'm arguing a stupid point so thus I'm crying.

 

[El Pistolero]

Let's drop all non Dutch cyclists on Rabo then

That's quite sad if you're really that chauvinistic.

And no I don't find it ridiculous to call Breschel a better prospect for the future than Gesink. Not at all. But everything that's not your opinion is ridiculous to you, so it makes sense you find 97% of the posts stupid.

Rabo's biggest goal is getting a high GT placing in the Tour for Gesink. TJVG isn't going to hurt Gesink's chances. On the contrary... Ding ding, perhaps I did just found a reason for him to come to Rabo

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Let's drop all non Dutch cyclists on Rabo then

That's quite sad if you're really that chauvinistic.

lol your hopeless.

I have no problem with non-dutch riders. I like lots of non-dutch riders and haven't said otherwise. Do you feel the need to make up / exaggerate things about a poster to prove a point? That is sad.

I just disagreed with your claim that he was thier best cyclist, and provided facts, you provided assumptions and when I called you on it, you have resorted to childish labelling which have nothing to do with the subject, well done sir.

Like I said the claim that Breschel is the best classic rider is fine and probably true, in fact I quite like Matti. Am I chauvinistic because I am telling you wjat Rabo's focus is? Wow, how dare I summarise what a team is doing. Any teams, even if focusing on a particular nation needs to globalise aswell, I never suggested otherwise.

I am done with this argument, it is going off topic and it is clear you lack the intelligence to provide anything but childish comments.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Let's drop all non Dutch cyclists on Rabo then

That's quite sad if you're really that chauvinistic.

And no I don't find it ridiculous to call Breschel a better prospect for the future than Gesink. Not at all. But everything that's not your opinion is ridiculous to you, so it makes sense you find 97% of the posts stupid.

Rabo's biggest goal is getting a high GT placing in the Tour for Gesink. TJVG isn't going to hurt Gesink's chances. On the contrary... Ding ding, perhaps I did just found a reason for him to come to Rabo

My original post wasn't just in regards to benefits of rabo, but tejay also. he is a good enough rider to progress and become a leader himself, he would be wasting his time at rabo.

 

[El Pistolero]

Learn English. I said he was arguably their best cyclist.

The only one with childish comments here are you with the personal insults

I didn't say "It's a fact he's the best Rabo cyclist"

Quite a difference actually. And I can't see TJVG leading a big team just yet. Better that he maybe learns under a bigger guy for 2 years before moving on(and get his chances at different races like one week stage races and Vuelta or something)

What team would make him leader of a GT? Can't see much teams doing it.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Learn English. I said he was arguably their best cyclist.

The only one with childish comments here are you with the personal insults

I didn't say "It's a fact he's the best Rabo cyclist"

Quite a difference actually.

that is fine, and I argued why i disagreed. And when I did I am apparently crying and biased. Because I make a counter argument on a forum lol.
Rather then making counter arguments you labelled me, thus I called you childish.

anyway whatever. Despite my stubborness this time, I am done with this pointless argument

 

[El Pistolero]

Actually, you made it sound like a fact that Gesink was better thus I'm of the opinion that you don't think it's fine at all.

 

[Greenflame]

The only one with childish comments here are you with the personal insults

That is one weird thing to say when you think about it
You two are really tiresome anyway. Can't the mods just make a subforum for Pistolero vs. the Dutch so that the rest of us don't need to read all this?

Well, transfers. The sporza guys were just saying Hushovd might look for a new team next year, any suggestions where he might be going? There should be plenty of teams interested in signing him, despite his age.

 

[just some guy]

That is one weird thing to say when you think about it
You two are really tiresome anyway. Can't the mods just make a subforum for Pistolero vs. the Dutch so that the rest of us don't need to read all this?

Well, transfers. The sporza guys were just saying Hushovd might look for a new team next year, any suggestions where he might be going? There should be plenty of teams interested in signing him, despite his age.

Back to a french team I think. Someone mentioned Eurocar

 

[El Pistolero]

That is one weird thing to say when you think about it
You two are really tiresome anyway. Can't the mods just make a subforum for Pistolero vs. the Dutch so that the rest of us don't need to read all this?

Well, transfers. The sporza guys were just saying Hushovd might look for a new team next year, any suggestions where he might be going? There should be plenty of teams interested in signing him, despite his age.

Wait, Sporza was live today?

 

[Mambo95]

Well, transfers. The sporza guys were just saying Hushovd might look for a new team next year, any suggestions where he might be going? There should be plenty of teams interested in signing him, despite his age.

Vacansoleil have been mentioned.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Vacansoleil have been mentioned.

if they are to dish out some big bucks I suggest they dish it out on a rider with lots of uci points. Looks like they're going to need it.

 

[El Pistolero]

if they are to dish out some big bucks I suggest they dish it out on a rider with lots of uci points. Looks like they're going to need it.

They might still make it in WT with Eurotour points if I understand the system correctly. But they definitely need to buy some guys with WT points.

 

[Anonymous]

Rumour come in via tsf board that Cav may announce a decision this week regarding his future.

My hunch is he is just going to announce if he is staying or leaving htc, rather than a destination.

 

[jobiwan]

Rumour come in via tsf board that Cav may announce a decision this week regarding his future.

My hunch is he is just going to announce if he is staying or leaving htc, rather than a destination.

TeamSkyFans, I have an honest question.

Do you want Cav to come to Sky? Would it help the development of the other riders? What are your thoughts?

 

[Anonymous]

TeamSkyFans, I have an honest question.

Do you want Cav to come to Sky? Would it help the development of the other riders? What are your thoughts?

No, I dont, and ive made it pretty clear all along that I dont think Cav coming to sky will be a good thing for the development of the squad. But I also understand that commercially, he is the top british rider and having him on a British team makes perfect sense.

If he does go to sky, i would hope that he is given a smaller leadout train. I wouldnt like to see Sky go down the htc route as that would waste riders with the ability of Geraint, Stannard, Eddy Boss etc.

My hunch is he will announce before the nationals and take the british stripes to the Tour de France. If not, I will be keeping my ear very close to the ground at the nationals.