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Libertine Seguros

Libertine Seguros

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craig1985 said:
That's exactly what I thought. I mean Alberto Contador is eligible for EE for the same reasons as Samu, he rode for a Basque team amateur team as an u23.
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Ah - but the Iberdrola-Loinaz team that Contador rode for wasn't tied to the Fundación Euskadi, whereas the Olarra u-23 team that Samu rode for was the predecessor to today's Orbea Continental team, and was tied to the Fundación Euskadi.

Hence why I expect Comunidad Valenciana's Victor Cabedo to ride for Euskaltel soon, since he's come through Fundación Euskadi's teams.

There are a lot of teams in the Basque-Navarrese regions, many of which are tied to pro teams, as this is perhaps the best-organised region for amateur races in Spain.

Iberdrola-Loinaz was tied to ONCE-Eroski, which is why Joaquím Rodríguez and Xavier Florencio (both non-Basque Iberdrola alumni) started their pro careers with ONCE.

Similarly, at the time there was the Reynolds team, which fed to Banesto (and harked back to the team's pre-Banesto sponsor). The current amateur team feeding to Unzué's Abarcá Sports lineup (Movistar) is Lizarte, who are Navarrese. Caja Rural also have an amateur equivalent, which used to feed to Movistar too.

Euskaltel, of course, have Orbea Continental, which is professional, and the amateur teams Naturgas Energía and Koplad-Uni2.
 
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just some guy said:
As I said before GVA could get a couple of wins by being up the road when all the fav´s mark Gilbert to death.
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Are there any examples of this happening?
 
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just some guy said:
Pozzato with Boonen as the leader

This year in the P - Roubiax
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I'm talking about Gilbert. I know tons of other examples for Boonen (Nuyens in Omloop and KBK, Devolder in Vlaanderen x2, Van Impe in DDV, Pozzato in MSR etc.), but I can't think of this happening a single time with Gilbert. If I were Van Avermaet, I wouldn't bet on it happening in the future often, if at all (and it looks like he isn't).
 
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Ferminal

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LukeSchmid said:
If BMC sign Gilbert and Van Avermaet not happy, BMC should say bye bye to him.
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It would be Greg's loss.

He is never going to beat Gilbert in a major classic. He can go to another team if he wants, and take pride in top10 finishes here and there.

Or he could stay with BMC, help Gilbert to some big wins and get paid more than he would earn anywhere else.
 
hrotha

hrotha

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Ferminal said:
It would be Greg's loss.

He is never going to beat Gilbert in a major classic. He can go to another team if he wants, and take pride in top10 finishes here and there.

Or he could stay with BMC, help Gilbert to some big wins and get paid more than he would earn anywhere else.
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He wasn't that far from winning MSR this year. When you're a top 10 finisher, you can hit jackpot. Ask Nuyens. As for the notion that he should sacrifice his own options for a higher pay, I find it odd coming from a fan.

Personally, I hope Gilbert doesn't go to BMC, but if he does, I hope they let Van Avermaet go.
 
just some guy

just some guy

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Timmy-loves-Rabo said:
it wont be that simple.
Not to mention Gilbert's ego.
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All leaders have an Ego, using you skills and brain smart is a different thing.

2 even sometimes 3 leaders is smart for a classics team.

Fabian and his ego this year ment he lost in the bigger classics, showing a 50 km charge on a Wednesday was the dumbest thing Ive seen in years. ego and dumb vs ego and smart riding.

If Gilbert say sign with BMC and GVA in in the break of say Flanders and Gilbert does anything but sit on wheels the Greg should be ****ed, but if GVA gets brought back in the last 20-30kms he can still hang on for a top 10 - and help Phil Go FTW - good team riding.

If the break does not get brought back because everyone is looking at Phil then GVA has a fair chance against other 2 tier leaders FTW and Phil does his thing against the leader - good team riding.

GVA has had a good season but never really looked like a win in any of the classics except maybe San Remo if Fabian did not ride him down. If if and more ifs.

With Phil in the team I believe GVA has more chance of a win then without. Just my Opinion of course.
 
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Ferminal

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hrotha said:
He wasn't that far from winning MSR this year. When you're a top 10 finisher, you can hit jackpot. Ask Nuyens. As for the notion that he should sacrifice his own options for a higher pay, I find it odd coming from a fan.

Personally, I hope Gilbert doesn't go to BMC, but if he does, I hope they let Van Avermaet go.
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Well, if I was in his shoes it's certainly something which would factor strongly in my decision making. If he seriously believes he will win a big race in the next few years, then maybe he should stay away from Phil.

It's also a problem for Evans, who after "failing" in two GTs this season will probably looking to focus greater on the classics.
 
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It is being reported that Lotto has it's next project secured. Jurgen Van den Broeck reportedly signed a 4-year contract with them already.

Sergeant, Frison and Marc Wauters will also remain with them. Mario Aerts will become DS as well.

Source
 
El Pistolero

El Pistolero

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boomcie said:
It is being reported that Lotto has it's next project secured. Jurgen Van den Broeck reportedly signed a 4-year contract with them already.

Sergeant, Frison and Marc Wauters will also remain with them. Mario Aerts will become DS as well.

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I don't think that was the smartest thing to do... Who knows if these guys will make it into the World Tour. And I wouldn't count on the French to give a wildcard to a Belgian team with the only Belgian GC rider in it.
 
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El Pistolero said:
I don't think that was the smartest thing to do... Who knows if these guys will make it into the World Tour. And I wouldn't count on the French to give a wildcard to a Belgian team with the only Belgian GC rider in it.
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Yeah, Geox style :)
We'll see. Let's not forget Lotto has a long service record in the peloton, they might have some pull in weird places. At least more than Geox.
 
just some guy

just some guy

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El Pistolero said:
No f-ing way! :eek:
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Yep TDU and the spring classics then nothing maybe ride the autumn single day races - then wants a coaching mention set up sprint trains type of job after. He will be moving back to the Gold coast with Family.
 
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