Transfers and Rumours 2011 > 2012

[dlwssonic]

Its not the point. He was saying that Cadel is better since he went to BMC which simply is not the case. He has changed his style yes, but he is not a better rider (more exciting to watch maybe).

I didn't say cadel is a better rider, I said he has been doing better. Theres a lot of difference.

 

[LukeSchmid]

From a Velonews interview with Andrew Talansky:



I don't know if Dejonckheere's current job at BMC is talent management, but it would explain a lot.

If Talansky is correct that this person did not rate him the it was a bad decision but I don't think you should generalise from one bad decision. It would be good to see all of his work before saying he isn't any good. He is listed on the BMC website as being their European Operations Manager.

 

[Richeypen]

I didn't say cadel is a better rider, I said he has been doing better. Theres a lot of difference.

Yes there is a lot of difference. Guess it comes back the fact that I dont believe that his BMC results are even close to his Lotto results.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

So you think that 1st in Romandie is better than 2nd in the Tour?

Take into account the years evans got those results. Evans will never get 2nd at the tour again.

He has ridden better at bmc I guess, or more positive / intelligent anyway.

He hasn't improved his climbing tho. He has never been enough in this department and never will be imo.

Rabo have way too much talent

A us team maybe stupid reason but tjvg does come across as very stars and stripes to me.

Phinny is overhyped and a classic tt guy so no issues for tjvg there.

TVG has no business at rabo really.
The team is concerned with dutch talent.

Their best riders / most promising are the dutch youngsters.

In terms of GC riders:
Gesink, Kruijswijk, Mollema (LLS? more competition)

still more talent coming through though.
Kelderman has huge promise, Slagter appears to be a natural climber.

From a Velonews interview with Andrew Talansky:



I don't know if Dejonckheere's current job at BMC is talent management, but it would explain a lot.

to be fair roe has been making him look like a chump. oh wait.

 

[dlwssonic]

Yes there is a lot of difference. Guess it comes back the fact that I dont believe that his BMC results are even close to his Lotto results.

Really, still dont get why you think so. But he has only been in BMC for 1year plus but he was in lotto for a looong time.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Really, still dont get why you think so. But he has only been in BMC for 1year plus but he was in lotto for a looong time.

Evans' CQ ranking totals:

2007: 1979
2008: 1879
2009: 1912
2010: 1619

Evans' 2009 with Lotto:
- 21st, Paris-Nice
- 2nd (+1 stage win), Settimana Coppi e Bartali
- 3rd, Vuelta al País Vasco
- 5th, La Flèche Wallonne
- 7th, Tour de Romandie
- 2nd (+points classification, 1 stage win, 1 2nd and 1 3rd), Dauphiné Libéré
- 29th, Tour de France
- 3rd (+2 3rds and 2 4ths and a day in gold), Vuelta a España
- 1st, World Championships Road Race
- 4th, Giro dell'Emilia
- 10th, Giro di Lombardia

Evans' 2010 with BMC:
- 6th, Tour Down Under
- 5th, Giro dell'Insubria
- 3rd (+2 3rds), Tirreno-Adriatico
- 6th, Critérium International
- 1st, La Flèche Wallonne
- 4th, Liège-Bastogne-Liège
- 5th (+points classification, 1 stage win, 3 2nds), Giro d'Italia
- 26th, Tour de France
- 3rd, GP de Wallonie

Actually, it appears that in both years he had a good early season, culminating in the classics. I think nobody could dispute that his classics season in 2010 was better; in both years he was an irrelevance in the Tour de France, but in his other GT he was a major factor. He managed a better position in the 2009 Vuelta, but he won a jersey and a stage in the 2010 Giro which cancels that out. Also, in 2009 the Dauphiné was a major positive, with a stage win, a jersey and an overall podium. The autumn campaign for Evans was mediocre last year, a spirited defence of his rainbow jersey notwithstanding, due to the amount of effort expended from January to July, whereas in 2009 he had a stellar autumn, with the Vuelta then followed by the rainbow jersey and good results in the Italian end-of-season races.

 

[just some guy]

Gilbert down to 5 teams report

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gilbert-narrows-list-of-possible-teams-for-next-season-to-five

he final five teams still with a chance to sign him are Quick Step, BMC, Sky, Lotto and Omega Pharma.

I think we are down to 2

BMC and Sky the reason Cash.

 

[Gloin22]

Don't want him at Sky really. Now when you think of Sky victories you think about team work. If Gilbert came and won, his wins would be very indpendant if you know what I mean. And the team would be less associated.

 

[Machu Picchu]

Lampre and Euskaltel were also interested in signing Gilbert, Wathelet said.

Euskatel were interested? are they further relaxing the Basque stance then?

edit: for link

 

[The Sheep]

Euskatel were interested? are they further relaxing the Basque stance then?

edit: for link

It's a bad translation, they were actaullly the only 2 teams not interested in some way according to Wathelet. The CN editor should have known that for the reason you posted.

 

[euanli]

Five teams? Which one is a new team, Lotto or Omega-Pharma?

 

[greenedge]

I want to see JROD go back to Movistar to form an awesome combo with Valverde. Also Pozzato will probably leave to Lampre 9 new manager/ shall gain recognition in Italy and he hates Liquigas ). He can't go to Greenedge now probaly as Goss and Langeveld are probably riding there for the classics. Boonen will go somewhere different maybe another Belgium team.

 

[theyoungest]

I want to see JROD go back to Movistar to form an awesome combo with Valverde.

Awesome combos with Valverde aren't possible. Rodriguez will just return to his old role as a luxury domestique. I prefer to see him off the leash, on Katusha.

 

[craig1985]

Euskatel were interested? are they further relaxing the Basque stance then?

edit: for link

That's exactly what I thought. I mean Alberto Contador is eligible for EE for the same reasons as Samu, he rode for a Basque team amateur team as an u23.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

Awesome combos with Valverde aren't possible. Rodriguez will just return to his old role as a luxury domestique. I prefer to see him off the leash, on Katusha.

Yep, he's way more awesome as a leader than as a domestique + he's too good to be domestiqueing for Balberde

 

[taiwan]

Five teams? Which one is a new team, Lotto or Omega-Pharma?

Both teams could be quite different from the existing one. Apparenty Lotto want to focus on developing Belgian talent, so if they don't go elsewhere, maybe JVDB + Roelandts --> Lotto, Greipel --> Omega Pharma. Lotto won't necessarily be Protour, though.

 

[Anonymous]

Gilbert down to 5 teams report

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gilbert-narrows-list-of-possible-teams-for-next-season-to-five

he final five teams still with a chance to sign him are Quick Step, BMC, Sky, Lotto and Omega Pharma.

I think we are down to 2

BMC and Sky the reason Cash.

soo the neiuwsblad article saying Gilbert to greenedge along with David Millar is looking a bit off the wall now then.

 

[El Pistolero]

Take into account the years evans got those results. Evans will never get 2nd at the tour again.

He has ridden better at bmc I guess, or more positive / intelligent anyway.

He hasn't improved his climbing tho. He has never been enough in this department and never will be imo.



TVG has no business at rabo really.
The team is concerned with dutch talent.

Their best riders / most promising are the dutch youngsters.

In terms of GC riders:
Gesink, Kruijswijk, Mollema (LLS? more competition)

still more talent coming through though.
Kelderman has huge promise, Slagter appears to be a natural climber.




to be fair roe has been making him look like a chump. oh wait.

Best riders of Rabo have been foreigners for quite some time. Oscar Freire, Denis Menchov, Rasmussen and now Matti Breschel. And if LLS can refind his form of the old days then he would also be one of the best Rabo have.

Plus an in form Matti Breschel is arguably the best cyclist of Rabobank.

 

[auscyclefan94]

to be fair roe has been making him look like a chump. oh wait.

Talansky has been making everyone look like a chump out of the 1st year riders. He is also a year older than Tim.

We need a poll guessing where Gilbert will go.

 

[El Pistolero]

I'd be happy with either BMC or Quickstep. With QS edging it.

 

[dlwssonic]

Talansky has been making everyone look like a chump out of the 1st year riders. He is also a year older than Tim.

We need a poll guessing where Gilbert will go.

there is one on the thread i created

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Best riders of Rabo have been foreigners for quite some time. Oscar Freire, Denis Menchov, Rasmussen and now Matti Breschel. And if LLS can refind his form of the old days then he would also be one of the best Rabo have.

Plus an in form Matti Breschel is arguably the best cyclist of Rabobank.

was I speaking past tense? No.

Friere past it. Menchov gone (probably past it anyway). Ras is gone, post-dope and past it.

Sorry, Matti isn't as valuable as Gesink (in terms of Cobbles he is barely better then Langeveld). I'm sure rabo value a guy who can compete in stages races + semi classics + GTs, including biggest goal-TDF, more then Matti who is valuable in the Cobbles and Tour of Denmark?, but not a proven winner in the important races.. And yeah his WC achievements don't reflect rabo much. Rabobank aren't Q/step or some lame belgium team who think cobbles = everything.
So no, Breschel is not the best cyclist on rabo. No argument about it

Like I said, the most promising riders, and again in particular in GC (in case you again decide to miss this) are the young dutch riders. And thus why would they want to sign a young american with promise, when they desire to devolp dutch talent.

 

[El Pistolero]

As if Gesink is a proven winner in important races. Publicity wise obviously Gesink is a lot more important, but that doesn't make him the best cyclist.

And Freire won MSR+ Paris-Tours last year(guess what, better results than Gesink). That's like saying he was past it in 2009... Breschel definitely has more promise than Langeveld in the RVV. He's still young and was terribly unlucky last year and this year. His 2 medals at the WC shows he can handle the big races including the Monuments.

 

[Lanark]

As if Gesink is a proven winner in important races. Publicity wise obviously Gesink is a lot more important, but that doesn't make him the best cyclist.

Neither is Breschel by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[El Pistolero]

Neither is Breschel by any stretch of the imagination.

Never said he was though.