Transfers and Rumours 2012 > 2013

[Moviefan1203]

yeah amazing 6th... lol. gesink already finishe d6th in gc 4 years ago. no improvement at all.

It's not a bad result is what I'm saying. Do you know how many guys would kill to finish in the top ten of a grand tour?

 

[Afrank]

It's not a bad result is what I'm saying. Do you know how many guys would kill to finish in the top ten of a grand tour?

For Gesink its a ok result considering the how bad he's been the last couple years but its not a great result either. People expect more of Gesink but he hasn't been able to deliver on what he is expected to deliver.

 

[Moviefan1203]

For Gesink its a ok result considering the how bad he's been the last couple years but its not a great result either. People expect more of Gesink but he hasn't been able to deliver on what he is expected to deliver.

I think finishing in the 4-10 range is what should be expected to be his peak. He's a great rider, but he's just not built to be a consistent podium finisher with grand tours.

 

[El Pistolero]

Do you really want to build a team around someone so he can finish sixth in the Vuelta?

 

[Moviefan1203]

Do you really want to build a team around someone so he can finish sixth in the Vuelta?

Of course not, but Ryo was insinuating that he's a joke of a rider. He's never lived up to the hype, but he is very talented and has had some very good results in his career.

 

[theyoungest]

For Gesink its a ok result considering the how bad he's been the last couple years but its not a great result either. People expect more of Gesink but he hasn't been able to deliver on what he is expected to deliver.

Please, not another Gesink fail discussion. The point was that Ryo didn't think Rabo was a GC team. They are.

 

[El Pistolero]

They've not done anything GC related though. You're not going to call QS a GC team are you? They've won a lot more stage races this year than Rabobank.

 

[canyonball]

Any news on where any off AA drink womens team will end up? Will someone come in take over whole team ? etc etc

Can't afford to dig the link rigth now, but.... a while ago, Wielerland linked DS Danny Stam and eight of AA Drink riders to Argos-Skill, as they are looking to step up as team. Amongst those names, there was no mention of Pooley, though.

 

[Andy99]

Sky keen to keep hold of Eisel..

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/534774/brailsford-keen-to-keep-eisel-at-sky.html

 

[togo95]

Bárta and König prolonged contract with Natapp-Endura

 

[luckyboy]

I think he is. Till 2013.

Heh, didn't realise that. Stijn for Ronde #3 next season then.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

It's not a bad result is what I'm saying. Do you know how many guys would kill to finish in the top ten of a grand tour?

rabobank are one of the 5 biggest teams in the world and their top leader finishes 6th in vuelta. yeah amazing... bad arguments

 

[Moviefan1203]

rabobank are one of the 5 biggest teams in the world and their top leader finishes 6th in vuelta. yeah amazing... bad arguments

You're missing my point altogether man. Gesink isn't some horrible rider, but he's also not an elite rider. He's a very good GC rider that has gotten some pretty good results thus far in his career.

 

[MatParker117]

Sky keen to keep hold of Eisel..

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/534774/brailsford-keen-to-keep-eisel-at-sky.html

With Barry retiring that does not surprise me.

 

[Justin Pain]

With Barry retiring that does not surprise me.

Including the loss of Flecha

 

[MatParker117]

Including the loss of Flecha

Exactly when you have a world class domestique like Eisel you do whatever the bloody hell it takes to keep him.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Do you really want to build a team around someone so he can finish sixth in the Vuelta?

It's same for most teams, and it's not like he doesn't get results elsewhere (California etc, and most years he gathers lots of results). Rabobank are often perceived as a fail team, and I agree they don't achieve as much as they should, but it's a pretty decent team. I think over expectations is the main problem here, where some teams are overlooked for riding with much less output, rabobank are often labelled on here as a fail. Unsurprisingly the same few posters are always undermining this talk

Like I said, rabobank are nothing great, but they are not as bad as people make out. And Robert gesink is not a bad leader, despite what the heroes behind a computer screen may say, you try coming back from such an injury.

 

[theyoungest]

It's same for most teams, and it's not like he doesn't get results elsewhere (California etc, and most years he gathers lots of results). Rabobank are often perceived as a fail team, and I agree they don't achieve as much as they should, but it's a pretty decent team. I think over expectations is the main problem here, where some teams are overlooked for riding with much less output, rabobank are often labelled on here as a fail. Unsurprisingly the same few posters are always undermining this talk

Like I said, rabobank are nothing great, but they are not as bad as people make out. And Robert gesink is not a bad leader, despite what the heroes behind a computer screen may say, you try coming back from such an injury.

The Rabo bashing on this forum is a result of the number of Dutchies (generally quite cynical people) and some Belgians who like to bait them

Verbally destroying our own sportsman compatriots is a very Dutch thing.

 

[El Pistolero]

There's only so much you can blame on injuries. Robert Gesink has not brought in enough victories or good placings to be a leader of a ProTour team past few years. I'm not baiting, I'm just saying it as it is.

Winning California, where's the prestige?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

You're missing my point altogether man. Gesink isn't some horrible rider, but he's also not an elite rider. He's a very good GC rider that has gotten some pretty good results thus far in his career.

no. the point was he is leader in a top team and he isn't suited for that as he's not a great captian that can win or podium a gt for a supposedly gc team that rabo was (initial discussion)

 

[theyoungest]

There's only so much you can blame on injuries. Robert Gesink has not brought in enough victories or good placings to be a leader of a ProTour team past few years. I'm not baiting, I'm just saying it as it is.

Winning California, where's the prestige?

California happens to be one of the most important races of the year for Rabobank, as they have an interest in the Californian market. Just look at the difference between the team they send to the Giro and to the ToC.

Same reason why they're so adamant to have a few Aussies on their team, Rabobank Australia wants them to.

As for Gesink, he's only been the real leader for Rabobank since 2011, as before that they had this guy Menchov (although Gesink already tended to score more Protour points than him). 2011 and 2012 Gesink hasn't exactly had the best of luck.

 

[El Pistolero]

Doesn't change the fact that it's a race without prestige. I hope the ones that think California is an important race are fired at Rabobank.

Many sponsors have an interest in the Californian market, but that doesn't mean they're going to call their season a succes if they managed to win it.

A Belgian team always gets criticism if they fail at the Spring classics. A Dutch team should get criticism if they fail at the Amstel Gold Race and GTs.

 

[theyoungest]

The point is not what you think about the ToC. You're not Gesink's sponsor.

More importantly: this discussion has nothing to do with transfer news. Cheers.

 

[El Pistolero]

I doubt Gesink's sponsors are happy with him.

Anyway:

http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/120915_boonen_over_Cavendish

Tom Boonen speaks about Mark Cavendish.

 

[Moviefan1203]

no. the point was he is leader in a top team and he isn't suited for that as he's not a great captian that can win or podium a gt for a supposedly gc team that rabo was (initial discussion)

He's the best GC rider on that team. Until they start going outside of the Netherlands to go after talent, they are pigeonholing themselves into select talent. Like I said, he's not a bad GC rider at all. He's not elite, but he's had some impressive results at this point in his career. He's not that old.