Transfers and Rumours 2015 > 2016

[Arnout]

Re: Re:

What do riders at conti teams approximatley earn ?

''Continental teams have no minimum salary requirements. Many Continental teams pay their riders nothing. Some pay $20k AUD to each rider, and others pay up to $50k to some of their riders. From what I understand, until recently it was common that some teams would require that select rider(s) bring aboard a cash paying sponsor to ensure he gets a ride with the team (i.e. to pay his salary). This even happened at the higher levels as well. Apparently the recent UCI financial governance and new level of transparency has done away with this dodgy way of running a cycling team at the professional level. Perhaps it still happens – I don’t know.''

''A good domestique at PT will make between €40k-€100k per year.'' So even being in PT sucks , so imagine CT

The market dictates. If you want to be a cyclist but don't have the level, bring your sponsors and ride for a continental team. Sounds fair enough, sponsors won't throw in money without return, apart from some teams which are lucky enough to have a local government agency throwing tax money at them.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

There are huge differences between the CT team from different countries. French or Spanish CT teams are de facto professional teams, not too different from ProConti teams. In Belgium CT teams mix riders with a pro contract and classic amateurs.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Re:

Another Irish rider, Mark Dowling, signs for Dynamo Cover.

Now there's someone who is leaving it a bit late to join a Conti team, at 29.

According to Sticky Bottle, Dynamo Cover will be Irish registered and will have five Irish riders on board in 2016. Four have already been announced, Dowling, Sean Downey, Mark Downey and Philip Lavery. One still to be announced.

Apparently the original plan was for the team to be British registered, but British Cycling told them that they would have to sign at least nine British riders for their registration to be accepted, while Cycling Ireland is more relaxed about such things (if I recall correctly, there have been Italian teams that were nominally "Irish registered" purely for tax avoidance reasons). You'd think that you could put together nine Welsh, Scottish, Cornish or Manx riders with the requisite level for a Conti team and without an existing contract elsewhere, but maybe not.

A Cycling Ireland board member told Sticky Bottle that between the various WT and PCT pros, the two Irish registered Conti outfits, the British scene and others scattered around elsewhere, that there will be 25 plus Irish riders at Conti level or above next year. That's not very many by the standards of traditional cycling countries, but it's an Irish record by a long way.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Yea, there have been a number of Italian Pro Conti teams who've based nominally out of Ireland over the years. LPR Brakes, CSF-Navigare and Ceramica Flaminia. British Cycling have obviously changed up their rules since CarmioOro-NGC were UK-registered in 2010 (led by Pardilla and Sella) and so were Farnese Vini in 2011 (the Visconti era version of the team). Continental level teams often don't as it means they can't do the .HC level races, but ProConti teams who know they'll be invited often do.

A slightly different issue is seen in Spain where the requirements for registration as a Continental team are more onerous than in many countries as they date back to the times of plenty in Spanish cycling - as is mentioned above, the Continental teams are more or less straight professional teams at a lower level. However, with the reduced mileage in the Spanish calendar since the economic downturn which has killed off many races and most of the top level teams in the country, teams are not able to procure the funding and earnings to survive in that form. As a result, you get lots of Spanish-based teams registered elsewhere, whether they be like Gios-Deyser or Keith Mobel (teams from another country who effectively split their teams down the middle - they have a set of Spanish riders who do the Spanish races and a set of riders from their home country who race a separate calendar - those two teams are Greek and Serbian respectively) or the Latin American developmental teams who hire a few Spanish talents - Inteja-MMR (Dominican Republic) and Movistar Team Ecuador are two examples of these, PinoRoad would have been another but some shyster ran away with the money and they never made it to Europe.

 

[TMP402]

Re: Re:

Another Irish rider, Mark Dowling, signs for Dynamo Cover.

Now there's someone who is leaving it a bit late to join a Conti team, at 29.

According to Sticky Bottle, Dynamo Cover will be Irish registered and will have five Irish riders on board in 2016. Four have already been announced, Dowling, Sean Downey, Mark Downey and Philip Lavery. One still to be announced.

Apparently the original plan was for the team to be British registered, but British Cycling told them that they would have to sign at least nine British riders for their registration to be accepted, while Cycling Ireland is more relaxed about such things (if I recall correctly, there have been Italian teams that were nominally "Irish registered" purely for tax avoidance reasons). You'd think that you could put together nine Welsh, Scottish, Cornish or Manx riders with the requisite level for a Conti team and without an existing contract elsewhere, but maybe not.

A Cycling Ireland board member told Sticky Bottle that between the various WT and PCT pros, the two Irish registered Conti outfits, the British scene and others scattered around elsewhere, that there will be 25 plus Irish riders at Conti level or above next year. That's not very many by the standards of traditional cycling countries, but it's an Irish record by a long way.

It's odd that they wouldn't get enough British riders to be a British team so they got nearly as many Irish riders instead. Cheaper to hire?

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Re: Re:

Another Irish rider, Mark Dowling, signs for Dynamo Cover.

Now there's someone who is leaving it a bit late to join a Conti team, at 29.

According to Sticky Bottle, Dynamo Cover will be Irish registered and will have five Irish riders on board in 2016. Four have already been announced, Dowling, Sean Downey, Mark Downey and Philip Lavery. One still to be announced.

Apparently the original plan was for the team to be British registered, but British Cycling told them that they would have to sign at least nine British riders for their registration to be accepted, while Cycling Ireland is more relaxed about such things (if I recall correctly, there have been Italian teams that were nominally "Irish registered" purely for tax avoidance reasons). You'd think that you could put together nine Welsh, Scottish, Cornish or Manx riders with the requisite level for a Conti team and without an existing contract elsewhere, but maybe not.

A Cycling Ireland board member told Sticky Bottle that between the various WT and PCT pros, the two Irish registered Conti outfits, the British scene and others scattered around elsewhere, that there will be 25 plus Irish riders at Conti level or above next year. That's not very many by the standards of traditional cycling countries, but it's an Irish record by a long way.

It's odd that they wouldn't get enough British riders to be a British team so they got nearly as many Irish riders instead. Cheaper to hire?

I suspect that anyone they will be hiring will be cheap. The issue is probably that they can't find nine British riders from the Celtic bits of Britain who are both good enough and willing to sign. It's hard to see how they'd have a problem signing nine if they were willing to sign a bunch of (non-Cornish) English riders. While an equivalent level Irish rider at least fits the right demographic, even if he's no better.

That said, I'm surprised by the idea that An Post and Direct Cover will between them have eleven Irish riders, almost all of them new to the Conti level. I wouldn't have thought that the domestic scene is deep enough for that. It's really a once in a lifetime chance for domestic amateurs to get a shot at riding for a Continent-based Conti team without having produced excellent result already.

If it's sustainable to maintain two Irish registered Conti teams that would be a big step forward. An Post has a great race calendar if you are a big lump, a budding sprinter or classics rider or similar. It's an excellent resource for a Sam Bennett or Ryan Mullen, but it clearly isn't a sensible place for the flyweights to go. So you get the likes of Eddie Dunbar heading off to Axel Merckx's team rather than getting brutalised at Flemish crits. A French based Conti team could have a much better calendar for the prospective climbers.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Re:

Yea, there have been a number of Italian Pro Conti teams who've based nominally out of Ireland over the years. LPR Brakes, CSF-Navigare and Ceramica Flaminia. British Cycling have obviously changed up their rules since CarmioOro-NGC were UK-registered in 2010 (led by Pardilla and Sella) and so were Farnese Vini in 2011 (the Visconti era version of the team). Continental level teams often don't as it means they can't do the .HC level races, but ProConti teams who know they'll be invited often do.

I've always wondered what was in it for Cycling Ireland to register essentially Italian teams with no Irish connection. Presumably there's a fee that the national federation gets, rather than all of the licensing money going to the UCI?

If so, that should be clamped down on.

 

[Brullnux]

Re: Re:

Yea, there have been a number of Italian Pro Conti teams who've based nominally out of Ireland over the years. LPR Brakes, CSF-Navigare and Ceramica Flaminia. British Cycling have obviously changed up their rules since CarmioOro-NGC were UK-registered in 2010 (led by Pardilla and Sella) and so were Farnese Vini in 2011 (the Visconti era version of the team). Continental level teams often don't as it means they can't do the .HC level races, but ProConti teams who know they'll be invited often do.

I've always wondered what was in it for Cycling Ireland to register essentially Italian teams with no Irish connection. Presumably there's a fee that the national federation gets, rather than all of the licensing money going to the UCI?

If so, that should be clamped down on.

I imagine if you base yourself in Ireland, you pay taxes in Ireland. That's what is in it for Cycling Ireland. Italian teams will happily move to Ireland as there are much lower taxes there, and Ireland will happily let them in as it means bare dollah for them.

 

[Jonhard]

I suspect it's more about employment / self-employment rules and social security costs than tax rates per se. They're significant in France and I'd guess Italy is towards the dear end of the European spectrum. Cheaper for the teams but I can't believe it's that lucrative for the host nation in tax receipts.

Licensing fees might be handy for the less large nation federations. Are they that skint though?

 

[yaco]

Docker extends at OGE for two years and Howson for one year - Docker was a no-brainer and Howson has a year to prove his worth. Think Lancaster is still unsigned - Dirk Provin will probably have the answer.

 

[StryderHells]

Re:

Docker extends at OGE for two years and Howson for one year - Docker was a no-brainer and Howson has a year to prove his worth. Think Lancaster is still unsigned - Dirk Provin will probably have the answer.

I think they have 25 riders confirmed for next season at this stage, Lancaster might get another year but he does look on a quick decline so who knows? Yep Docker was a certainty and Howson deserved another season, hopefully he's not one of these Oz track talents who switch to the road but end up burnt out and washed up in there mid 20's

 

[TMP402]

Jan Ghyselinck signs for Verandas from Wanty. R Feillu signs for Auber 93 from BSE.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

looks like Gavazzi is confirming with Androni-Sidermec
and Pozzato goes from Lampre to SouthEast

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/09-11-2015/gavazzi-l-androni-pozzato-southeast-si-fa-130853895156.shtml

 

[May0maniac]

Re:

looks like Gavazzi is confirming with Androni-Sidermec
and Pozzato goes from Lampre to SouthEast

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/09-11-2015/gavazzi-l-androni-pozzato-southeast-si-fa-130853895156.shtml

They have to bring back the Fluo jersey for Pippo, he'd probably refuse to ride in a grey jersey
Any news about the Santaromita to Astana rumour?

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Re: Re:

looks like Gavazzi is confirming with Androni-Sidermec
and Pozzato goes from Lampre to SouthEast

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/09-11-2015/gavazzi-l-androni-pozzato-southeast-si-fa-130853895156.shtml

They have to bring back the Fluo jersey for Pippo, he'd probably refuse to ride in a grey jersey
Any news about the Santaromita to Astana rumour?

Nothing fixed yet
http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/santaromita_to_join_astana/

"Vincenzo told me clearly that he would like me to join him. There has always been mutual respect between us," Santaromita told La Provincia di Varese. "That doesn't mean that there is a deal​​. But I can not deny that there are real possibilities: until there is certainty, I will not say anything."

 

[WheelofGear]

Any news on Nocentini? It has been weeks ago since he said that he had found a team.

 

[valentius borealis]

Re: Re:

Docker extends at OGE for two years and Howson for one year - Docker was a no-brainer and Howson has a year to prove his worth. Think Lancaster is still unsigned - Dirk Provin will probably have the answer.

I think they have 25 riders confirmed for next season at this stage, Lancaster might get another year but he does look on a quick decline so who knows? Yep Docker was a certainty and Howson deserved another season, hopefully he's not one of these Oz track talents who switch to the road but end up burnt out and washed up in there mid 20's

They've now confirmed that those 25 are the final squad.

http://www.greenedgecycling.com/news/orica-greenedge-confirms-2016-squad.phps

 

[TMP402]

Paton, Patten, Hall and Thompson leave WIGGINS. Liam Holohan joins from Madison.

 

[dirkprovin]

Re: Re:

Docker extends at OGE for two years and Howson for one year - Docker was a no-brainer and Howson has a year to prove his worth. Think Lancaster is still unsigned - Dirk Provin will probably have the answer.

I think they have 25 riders confirmed for next season at this stage, Lancaster might get another year but he does look on a quick decline so who knows? Yep Docker was a certainty and Howson deserved another season, hopefully he's not one of these Oz track talents who switch to the road but end up burnt out and washed up in there mid 20's

They've now confirmed that those 25 are the final squad.

http://www.greenedgecycling.com/news/orica-greenedge-confirms-2016-squad.phps

Yes, Docker, being the younger man, was always going to be the more likely option with Lancaster having distinct problems during 2015 "getting there" at the business end of stages.

I was fairly sure they'd be going with a 25man roster with a mind to "being in place" when the likely new regulations are implemented. However, they will essentially be running with a 23man roster for much of 2016 with both Hepburn and Edmondson committed to the AUS Teams Pursuit for Rio.

Howson has been off the track since 2011. His first pro season, 2014, was fairly low profile but he actually showed glimpses in 2015 of having the necessary legs with a couple of good ITT efforts; finishing his first GT at the Vuelta and being "last man in support" for Chaves on some mountain days.

It will be very interesting to see OGE's race schedule for 2016 and what differences from 2015. Will they look to go back to Cali after missing 2015. They would certainly offer more than Drapac given that Chaves won a stage in 2014.

 

[StryderHells]

Re: Re:

Docker extends at OGE for two years and Howson for one year - Docker was a no-brainer and Howson has a year to prove his worth. Think Lancaster is still unsigned - Dirk Provin will probably have the answer.

I think they have 25 riders confirmed for next season at this stage, Lancaster might get another year but he does look on a quick decline so who knows? Yep Docker was a certainty and Howson deserved another season, hopefully he's not one of these Oz track talents who switch to the road but end up burnt out and washed up in there mid 20's

They've now confirmed that those 25 are the final squad.

http://www.greenedgecycling.com/news/orica-greenedge-confirms-2016-squad.phps

Yes, Docker, being the younger man, was always going to be the more likely option with Lancaster having distinct problems during 2015 "getting there" at the business end of stages.

I was fairly sure they'd be going with a 25man roster with a mind to "being in place" when the likely new regulations are implemented. However, they will essentially be running with a 23man roster for much of 2016 with both Hepburn and Edmondson committed to the AUS Teams Pursuit for Rio.

Howson has been off the track since 2011. His first pro season, 2014, was fairly low profile but he actually showed glimpses in 2015 of having the necessary legs with a couple of good ITT efforts; finishing his first GT at the Vuelta and being "last man in support" for Chaves on some mountain days.

It will be very interesting to see OGE's race schedule for 2016 and what differences from 2015. Will they look to go back to Cali after missing 2015. They would certainly offer more than Drapac given that Chaves won a stage in 2014.

I wouldn't think Cali would be high on the list of races for OGE next season seeing they will be going in with a 25 man squad and as you said the two lads looking to Rio in the team pursuit they might be spread to thin for that race. Drapac did well enough in Cali with Norris in 11th and Wippert showing up on several stages, the U.S races are important for Drapac and looking to next season Norris seems to be improving and with Earle and Mannion coming in a stage win at Cali is a possibility.

 

[yaco]

Re: Re:

Docker extends at OGE for two years and Howson for one year - Docker was a no-brainer and Howson has a year to prove his worth. Think Lancaster is still unsigned - Dirk Provin will probably have the answer.

I think they have 25 riders confirmed for next season at this stage, Lancaster might get another year but he does look on a quick decline so who knows? Yep Docker was a certainty and Howson deserved another season, hopefully he's not one of these Oz track talents who switch to the road but end up burnt out and washed up in there mid 20's

They've now confirmed that those 25 are the final squad.

http://www.greenedgecycling.com/news/orica-greenedge-confirms-2016-squad.phps

Yes, Docker, being the younger man, was always going to be the more likely option with Lancaster having distinct problems during 2015 "getting there" at the business end of stages.

I was fairly sure they'd be going with a 25man roster with a mind to "being in place" when the likely new regulations are implemented. However, they will essentially be running with a 23man roster for much of 2016 with both Hepburn and Edmondson committed to the AUS Teams Pursuit for Rio.

Howson has been off the track since 2011. His first pro season, 2014, was fairly low profile but he actually showed glimpses in 2015 of having the necessary legs with a couple of good ITT efforts; finishing his first GT at the Vuelta and being "last man in support" for Chaves on some mountain days.

It will be very interesting to see OGE's race schedule for 2016 and what differences from 2015. Will they look to go back to Cali after missing 2015. They would certainly offer more than Drapac given that Chaves won a stage in 2014.

Thought OGE may go for a 27 man roster to help build up their race dates - Guessing their mature signings may race more often - It's worry when riders like Santoromita and Howard have less than 30 race days.

Anyway its a well balanced squad - of course winning a monument along with GC stages, and a good GC for Chavez is paramount but a few more wins in higher level one day races should be a priority.

 

[Stilletto]

So riders without a team (if I am right?) or not confirmed anywhere....

Rinaldo Nocentini
David Boucher
Mickael Delage
Patrick Schelling
Giampaolo Caruso
Luca Paolini
Jose Rodolfo Serpa
Brian Bulgac
Rick Flens
Vegard Breen
Dennis Vanendert
Igor Anton
John Gadret
Enrique Sanz
Brett Lancaster
Chris Sutton
Daniel McConnell
Kristof Vandewalle
Calvin Watson
Frantisek Padour
Jackson Rodriquez
Emanuele Sella
Simone Stortoni
Andrea Manfredi
Andrea Piechele
Fernando Grijalba
Francesco Lasca
Heiner Rodrigo Parra
Josef Cerny
Cristian Delle Stelle
Adrian Honkisz
Tomasz Kiendys
Adrian Kurek
Jaroslaw Marycz
Bartlomiej Matysiak
Nikolay Mihaylov
Lukasz Owsian
Branislau Samoilau
Stefan Schumacher
Gregorz Stepniak
Sylwester Szmyd
Mateusz Taciak
Daniel Schorn
Dominique Rollin
Gustav Erik Larsson
Joel Zangerle
Gregoire Tarride
Alexandre Blain
Maxime Mederel
Vincent Jerome
Cameron Peterson
Malcolm Rudolph
Dylan Girdlestone
Artem Ovechkin
Alexander Rybakov
Andrey Solomennikov
Igor Boev
Didier Alonso Chaparro
Mattia Pozzo
Dexter Gardias
Marc Hester Hansen
Mike Terpstra
Tomas Ricardo Creel
Yannick Eckmann
Temesgen Teklehaimonot
Rafael de Mattos Andriato
Giorgio Cecchinel
Samuele Conti
Elia Favilli
Mauro Finetto
Tomas Gil Martinez
Alejandro Yonathan Monsalve
Luca Wackermann
Adrien Niyonshuti
Meron Russom
Andreas Stauff
Alessandro Bazzana
Isaac Bolivar
Lucas Euser
Pawel Brylowski
Konrad Dabkowski
Jesus Ezquerra
Mario Gonzalez
Tomasz Mickiewicz
David Sebastian Muntaner
Arkadiusz Owsian
Francis De Greef
Boris Dron
Enrico Gasparotto
Björn Leukemans
Danilo Napolitano
Carlos Julian Quintero
Carlos Mario Ramirez
Miguel Angel Rubiano
Juan Pablo Valencia


some decent names here

 

[StryderHells]

Long list but a few of those riders are retiring, a couple I'm pretty sure have signed on with teams and then Paolini and Caruso should be serving suspensions

 

[staubsauger]

Flens ain't been going to ride on if my memory is correct. He's fixed to retire I believe.

Poor Sella may should do the same. He's done. Same for Szmyd. Schumacher ain't been signed for two years by CCC? He had a horrible season. Hard to find a new team.

Ain't nobody wants to sign Anton? Might should get a contract from an Italian pro conti team like Southeast from my pov.

 

[May0maniac]

Antonio Piedra returns and signs with Funvic.
http://www.cicloweb.it/news/2015/11...cquisti-la-prossima-stagione-ci-sono-anche-sp