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Mayomaniac said:
Any news about the whole Rosa to Sky thing?
With ilbert leaving BMC would probably be the best option for him, leader in the hilly classics (ok, GVA will probably be th leader in LBL, but he should at least be a co-leader) and a protected rider at the Giro or the Vuelta and at least co-leaader in a few one week races like Pais Vasco, in terms of being able to ride for himself that would probably be one of the best options for him.

Done deal apparently, great super domestique for Landa & Froome in the GT's/week long stage races and him, Poels, Henao & Kwaitkowski give Sky cards to play in the Ardennes.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Jagartrott said:
MatParker117 said:
Done deal apparently, great super domestique for Landa & Froome in the GT's/week long stage races and him, Poels, Henao & Kwaitkowski give Sky cards to play in the Ardennes.
Utterly depressing news.
Yep... I'm praying to the cycling gods that this isn't true.

the cycling gods are dead Flo, they crashed in the Arenberg forest aeons ago and were never seen again ;)
 
markjohnconley said:
staubsauger said:
TMP402 said:
ciranda said:
. There are only two anglo teams (Sky & Orica) left once DD gets relegated. .
Orica 'anglo', wash your mouth out; is there a more multicultural country in the world?
Than Australia? Definitely. Russia for a start will be difficult to beat for the sheer number of different cultures even if many of them are unknown to those outside its borders and their reputation for tolerance of other cultures outside of their borders isn't great to say the least.

Anyway, BMC and Cannondale are "Anglo" teams too that haven't been mentioned, along with Trek, though not sure if they're changing their licence like Катюша?
 
markjohnconley said:
staubsauger said:
TMP402 said:
ciranda said:
. There are only two anglo teams (Sky & Orica) left once DD gets relegated. .
Orica 'anglo', wash your mouth out; is there a more multicultural country in the world?
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LOL the Netherlands ain't got much cultural diversity? The Netherlands? With all those Antillians, Surinames, Arabs Indonesians, Asians etc. pp. and their cultural influences around? With their love for French culture? With their great Italian and French influenced fashion? The country of Eurodance and globalization? Seriously!?

Australia officially still belongs to the British Empire that's what I was referring to. The so called commonwealth. (US) Americans ain't no anglos. They're what we'd call Yankees, but any Texan, Californian etc rightfully disagrees about that.

So in fact we still got as much Dutch teams in the world tour and the pro continental ranks as we've got teams with links to the Commonwealth. That even Australia ain't no typical anglo country, actually underlines my point even further.

Cycling remains an eurochic sport. Even the Americans instantly adopted that essence of cycling before adding there own spirit. If cycling wasn't still that eurochic we already would've had an anglo or yankee business system for ages!

Edith adds that I never came up with the anglicization topic so it's definitely unfair to single out and blame me about it!
 
We have top division races in Canada, a South African top team, an Australian top team, top division races in Australia (and yet more to come with the Hail Cadel Evans Race), a British team dominating the sport, a British rider dominating the Tour de France.

we even have a British UCI President!!!

None of this was there 10 years ago. No wonder people grow suspicious by this anglo-saxon landing on the cycling continent.

And no wonder people do get occasionally angry when anglo-dominated cycling-media tend to apply double standards that cover or praise their riders/teams.
 
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For the record this

There are only two anglo teams (Sky & Orica) left once DD gets relegated.
was user staubsauger, not me.

I see six WT anglocentric teams: Trek, Orica, Sky, BMC, Cannondale, (Dimension Data). I think the map above is about diversity in terms of ethnicity, not about 'love for french culture' and Netherlands as 'the country of eurodance',
 
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KyoGrey said:
We have top division races in Canada, a South African top team, an Australian top team, top division races in Australia (and yet more to come with the Hail Cadel Evans Race), a British team dominating the sport, a British rider dominating the Tour de France.

we even have a British UCI President!!!

None of this was there 10 years ago. No wonder people grow suspicious by this anglo-saxon landing on the cycling continent.

And no wonder people do get occasionally angry when anglo-dominated cycling-media tend to apply double standards that cover or praise their riders/teams.

Montreal and Quebec are 100% anglo. Dude just by writing that the rest of your post is effectively nullified.

The anger at the 'anglo landing' is ridiculous at times. There is team Sky, a few American teams and that's it. There is legitimate following in the UK that has sprouted almost out of nowhere over the last 6 years. Obviously it isn't at the level of Italy, France, Netherlands, Spain or Belgium but there is increasing interest. This is a good thing. The issue is with middle eastern teams and races, where there is no interest just money. If money comes with interest then that's good.
 
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Brullnux said:
KyoGrey said:
We have top division races in Canada, a South African top team, an Australian top team, top division races in Australia (and yet more to come with the Hail Cadel Evans Race), a British team dominating the sport, a British rider dominating the Tour de France.

we even have a British UCI President!!!

None of this was there 10 years ago. No wonder people grow suspicious by this anglo-saxon landing on the cycling continent.

And no wonder people do get occasionally angry when anglo-dominated cycling-media tend to apply double standards that cover or praise their riders/teams.

Montreal and Quebec are 100% anglo. Dude just by writing that the rest of your post is effectively nullified.

The anger at the 'anglo landing' is ridiculous at times. There is team Sky, a few American teams and that's it. There is legitimate following in the UK that has sprouted almost out of nowhere over the last 6 years. Obviously it isn't at the level of Italy, France, Netherlands, Spain or Belgium but there is increasing interest. This is a good thing. The issue is with middle eastern teams and races, where there is no interest just money. If money comes with interest then that's good.

No they aren't? Or are you paraphrasing staubsauger? I can't really grasp.
 
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BigMac said:
Brullnux said:
KyoGrey said:
We have top division races in Canada, a South African top team, an Australian top team, top division races in Australia (and yet more to come with the Hail Cadel Evans Race), a British team dominating the sport, a British rider dominating the Tour de France.

we even have a British UCI President!!!

None of this was there 10 years ago. No wonder people grow suspicious by this anglo-saxon landing on the cycling continent.

And no wonder people do get occasionally angry when anglo-dominated cycling-media tend to apply double standards that cover or praise their riders/teams.

Montreal and Quebec are 100% anglo. Dude just by writing that the rest of your post is effectively nullified.

The anger at the 'anglo landing' is ridiculous at times. There is team Sky, a few American teams and that's it. There is legitimate following in the UK that has sprouted almost out of nowhere over the last 6 years. Obviously it isn't at the level of Italy, France, Netherlands, Spain or Belgium but there is increasing interest. This is a good thing. The issue is with middle eastern teams and races, where there is no interest just money. If money comes with interest then that's good.

No they aren't? Or are you paraphrasing staubsauger? I can't really grasp.

The sarcasm was obvious, to me at least.
 
The following sentence in combination effectively says "because you said Montreal and Quebec were anglo, your other statements are null and void".

Anyway, I wouldn't say the UK growth is totally organic, and I don't mean to say suspect in a Clinic sense, because there have been a handful of specific factors that have come together that's created this lightning in a bottle rapid expansion of the sport in the UK.

The first is the British Olympic failures back in the 90s that led to the lottery funding, and the specific targeting of sports with a lot of available medals, of which track cycling is obviously one. This meant that, at least in respect of the track, strong talents were getting nurturing and developing to a level they previously hadn't got. Following that, once the Olympic successes had captured the nation's imagination in Beijing, there was the ongoing project to take the same approach to road cycling, because that's where the majority of the money in pro cycling is.

Then, you have the emergence of Mark Cavendish. Cav is one of those guys who had the talent that means he would have emerged and got to the top level regardless, but his success outside of the Olympics came at a currency - Tour de France stages - that the general public understood. Cav, along with the riders familiar to the public from the Olympic program, gave many Britons who previously wouldn't have done a reason to watch cycling, and get to discover it.

There is also the timing being extremely good for them - Beijing and Cav's emergence coming almost directly off the back of Operación Puerto, Freiburg and Rasmussen completely decimating the German cycling audience, with sponsors pulling out, races being cancelled, TV coverage halted, and so on. From the Wiedervereinigung onwards, with the progress of Team Telekom and T-Mobile, Germany was a very sizable market that suddenly fell away massively, an audience and market that the UCI, race organizers and sponsors were keen to replace, and the previously little-tapped British market blossoming shortly afterwards gave a huge opportunity to soften that blow, especially with some of the traditional markets (in particular Spain but also Italy) suffering economic downturns that were hitting the profit margin hard.

This also coincided with the return of Armstrong, which reinvigorated the US market, and the late-career blossoming of Cadel Evans which helped invigorate the Australian interest which had been there for a while but not to the extent it became. With late-career Armstrong being a crapshoot, ASO's decision to neuter many of the Tour's mountains until late on in order to ensure Lance was in contention because of the extra eyeballs it gave them also benefited Wiggins of course, who suddenly vaulted into being a stage race contender. In the following couple of years you see an increasing number of races - especially the ASO ones - that consciously favour Anglophone riders, with changes to the Tour points system to favour Cavendish after he missed out on the maillot vert a couple of times, and stage races heavily biased in favour of the time triallist (particular offenders of course being Paris-Nice 2011 and the Tour 2012) and with a larger number of fairly consistent grinder's climbs rather than steep or inconsistent ones.

This has of course changed wholesale and gone completely the other way now, but then the British Tour contender par excellence is Froome, who didn't come through the track program and is a completely different type of cyclist to those produced by it. At this point, the base has been energised and there are a number of British riders coming through the system who aren't going through the track scheme (whereas riders preceding that, like Dan Martin, had to go through a number of hoops if they weren't aiming for the track, or riders like Jamie Burrow - probably the most naturally talented British male climber since Robert Millar, at least at the time - who had to go it alone), as well as there being teams outside of that base who are looking at British young riders (Hugh Carthy going to Caja Rural, for example). For a couple of years though, it was as if ASO and UCI were quite consciously and clearly trying to engineer routes to allow for as much British success as possible to build up that audience. Now that audience is there, and pretty established (see the crowds on the roads for the Tour de Yorkshire, silly name notwithstanding, and the Women's Tour), they no longer need to do that. As an added bonus, time has healed the wounds in Germany and the country's starting to get back into the sport again. If there is a Clinic scandal on a big enough scale, hoewver, the British scene is not as ingrained as in traditional countries where the sport's events are enough of an institution that they will plough on regardless, and as a result it may be hit hard in the way the German one was from 2007-2010 when it seemed to be suffering a slow, painful death though, and will need to be careful to ensure that it can rebound (what would be worse, the pro events survive but the amateur and national calendar events will die off, choking the progress of young riders).
 
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laarsland said:
Luckily Vegard Stake Laengen pulling on the front for Diego Ulissi and Rui Costa at TJ Sports next season won't throw any of the arguments above into disarray.

Should be a good move for both team and rider.
Yes, it's a good move and a quality signing for TJ Sports/Lampre.
 
Wasn't Vegard Stake Laengen rumoured to Dimension Data (afaik, EBH wanted another norwegian on the team)?

Regarding DD, very weird transfer season. They are on the verge of losing their WT spot and their only moves so far have been Morton, King and Thwaites.
 
I would think it's a combination of:

- Not having made contingency plans for losing WT-place due to the situation up until the fall, which then leaves them scrambling around due to the next two:
- No framework to support a serious GT-contender
- Not big enough budget to contend with other teams for the big assets still in play from the summer onwards
- Needing to still keep a certain part of their roster for African riders as per their DNA/PR
- Also knowing they have riders in place which will guarantee them wildcards for all the races they want means they can afford to lose out for 2017 and regroup/refocus if they want to go for a WT-place in 2018 instead of making signings based on shorttermism (like AG2R and Euskatel a handful of years ago)
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
markjohnconley said:
staubsauger said:
TMP402 said:
ciranda said:
. There are only two anglo teams (Sky & Orica) left once DD gets relegated. .
Orica 'anglo', wash your mouth out; is there a more multicultural country in the world?
Than Australia? Definitely. Russia for a start will be difficult to beat for the sheer number of different cultures even if many of them are unknown to those outside its borders and their reputation for tolerance of other cultures outside of their borders isn't great to say the least.

Anyway, BMC and Cannondale are "Anglo" teams too that haven't been mentioned, along with Trek, though not sure if they're changing their licence like Катюша?
Do you really think you understand cultural diversity in Russia? You know nothing about those cultures. Most of them could be practicaly dead by now; or very similar to each other thus not making great cultural diversity. It's hard to measure cultural diversity anyway, isn't it?

Also what's the point of writing Katusha in cyrillic...we all know what team Katusha is.
 
Kokoso said:
Do you really think you understand cultural diversity in Russia? You know nothing about those cultures. Most of them could be practicaly dead by now; or very similar to each other thus not making great cultural diversity. It's hard to measure cultural diversity anyway, isn't it?

Also what's the point of writing Katusha in cyrillic...we all know what team Katusha is.
Why you got to be so antagonistic with me on everything?

I picked Russia because large amounts of it are due to large numbers of their differing cultures being aboriginal groups, many of whom are in remote areas, poorly documented and with their identity threatened or restricted - Australia has more than its own fair share of such, which makes it more easily comparable than countries with a large number of different migrant populations and minority cultures like, say, France or the UK. Of course publications and information about various Siberian native populations is limited - but that doesn't mean we know nothing about them.

And I've written Катюша in Cyrillic on a large number of posts for a couple of years now.
 
Those peoples in Siberia are not really intolerant with the outside world, they just don't know it. I remember watching a doco about the Nenetz of Siberia. The announcer asked them whether they knew where Paris, France was and the Nenetz guy answered he didn't even know where Moscow was.

I like rather those different Russian nations.

Not much to do with cycling transfers though. :p
 
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New Irish procontinental team Aqua Blue Sports has just announced its first riders on their twitteraccount: Matthew Brammeier, Conor Dunne, Martyn Irvine and Lars Petter Nordhaug.