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Libertine Seguros said:
And I've written Катюша in Cyrillic on a large number of posts for a couple of years now.
Now that I call ultimate anwer :D

Am I antagonistic on everything with you, seriously? I don't think I'm antagonistic on everything with you. Actually if I was I'd be antagonistic on every cyrillic Katusha you've written but I haven't...so...

I don't know why I was antagonistic on Katusha...somehow that doesn't fele ok, that's it. You know, we have keyboard where there are know cyrillic letters, I think yours is same in this regard, so to write it in cyrillic is...somehow...you know...make your own conlusion.
 
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Der Effe said:
New Irish procontinental team Aqua Blue Sports has just announced its first riders on their twitteraccount: Matthew Brammeier, Conor Dunne, Martyn Irvine and Lars Petter Nordhaug.

Really excited about this! Looking forward to seeing the rest of the roster.
 
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StephenC2020 said:
MatParker117 said:
Imagine there most high profile races will be TdY and ToB.

This articles suggests they already have Milan San-Remo and Amstel Gold invitations also.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nordhaug-brammeier-irvine-dunne-first-riders-named-for-aqua-blue-sport/
I highly doubt that's possible to know at this time of the year, when teams even dont't know their Pro-Tour or Pro-Conti status. Odd statement that they earned those invitations already.
 
Echoes said:
Those peoples in Siberia are not really intolerant with the outside world, they just don't know it. I remember watching a doco about the Nenetz of Siberia. The announcer asked them whether they knew where Paris, France was and the Nenetz guy answered he didn't even know where Moscow was.

I like rather those different Russian nations.

Not much to do with cycling transfers though. :p

Most of the nenets population have lived as reindeer herders traditionally and still do but most from the younger generations go to Moscow to live for a time to get university degrees.
 
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PeterB said:
StephenC2020 said:
MatParker117 said:
Imagine there most high profile races will be TdY and ToB.

This articles suggests they already have Milan San-Remo and Amstel Gold invitations also.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nordhaug-brammeier-irvine-dunne-first-riders-named-for-aqua-blue-sport/
I highly doubt that's possible to know at this time of the year, when teams even dont't know their Pro-Tour or Pro-Conti status. Odd statement that they earned those invitations already.

I completely agree! Just going on what it says in the article. Not saying I believe it though :)
 
Why would AquaBlueSports lie about their invite to MSR or Amstel ...its on record ....Geez there are so many sour grape on here

There are many pro conti teams riding Giro/Tour and classics...why not this team.We donlt know the full roster yet

Some of you guys are an embarassment with your know it all cycnical view of a team getting off the ground ... ...(Using embarassment faces is ridiculous, petty and way off)

Same people who day in and day out argue about rubbish that happened 7 years ago or make outlandish speculation of who will win races that are way of or who bore everyone to death with endless swipes about their lastest obession who will wipe the floor with everyone only for that rider to be seen nowhere

Some of you know pretty little about the actual sport ..
 
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Brullnux said:
KyoGrey said:
We have top division races in Canada, a South African top team, an Australian top team, top division races in Australia (and yet more to come with the Hail Cadel Evans Race), a British team dominating the sport, a British rider dominating the Tour de France.

we even have a British UCI President!!!

None of this was there 10 years ago. No wonder people grow suspicious by this anglo-saxon landing on the cycling continent.

And no wonder people do get occasionally angry when anglo-dominated cycling-media tend to apply double standards that cover or praise their riders/teams.

Montreal and Quebec are 100% anglo. Dude just by writing that the rest of your post is effectively nullified.

The anger at the 'anglo landing' is ridiculous at times. There is team Sky, a few American teams and that's it. There is legitimate following in the UK that has sprouted almost out of nowhere over the last 6 years. Obviously it isn't at the level of Italy, France, Netherlands, Spain or Belgium but there is increasing interest. This is a good thing. The issue is with middle eastern teams and races, where there is no interest just money. If money comes with interest then that's good.

As far as it comes for the rest of the world, Canada is one of the primary anglo-saxon countries in the world. You trying to deny the whole on my post on the basis that the Canadian races are on French-speaking cities is just weak. So what? Are we going to pretend that Canadá is not basically an anglo-saxon country?

I'm not angry.

I just state the obviuous: that all this simultaneous presence of Britain, Canada, Australia and South Africa in cycling wasn't there 10 years ago.

And that is shoking for many.
 
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Can we stop this ridiculous and pointless discussion about which country is the most Anglo-Saxon and about the variety of cultures within Russia? This is a transfers & rumours thread. Seriously people, get a life.
 
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HelloDolly said:
hrotha said:
HelloDolly said:
Why would AquaBlueSports lie about their invite to MSR or Amstel
To get some publicity, obviously.


They are not those type of people ...hard for you to imagine but not everyone is Oleg bloody Tinkov
Why would that be hard for me to imagine? You asked what possible benefit there could be to lying. Publicity is one. There, done.
 
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hrotha said:
HelloDolly said:
hrotha said:
HelloDolly said:
Why would AquaBlueSports lie about their invite to MSR or Amstel
To get some publicity, obviously.


They are not those type of people ...hard for you to imagine but not everyone is Oleg bloody Tinkov
Why would that be hard for me to imagine? You asked what possible benefit there could be to lying. Publicity is one. There, done.

Whne I said you ...I mean you in general...ie people in general

The team does not have a sponsor ...it is an owner team with one man putting in all the money ...he is not in it for the publicity ...he is in it for the love of the sport
He has been quoted as saying 'it is not about me'
 
Publicity is not just advertising a brand or product. "See, we're a legit team with an awesome racing program ahead!" is a message that would certainly help them sign better riders and get invited to even more races.

And that's without even taking into account the possibility of *finding* sponsors.
 
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HelloDolly said:
Why would AquaBlueSports lie about their invite to MSR or Amstel ...its on record ....Geez there are so many sour grape on here

There are many pro conti teams riding Giro/Tour and classics...why not this team.We donlt know the full roster yet [...etc]
That information about being invited to those races is just strange because:
1. wildcards are usually announced by organizers, not teams
2. MSR and AGR organizers announce wildcards only around mid-January
3. Team licenses for next year have not yet been issued

So if it's true, it's strange, and if it's not true, it's even stranger. I am inclined to believe that they somehow indeed managed to get promise to be invited otherwise this would be huge faux-pas from their side. But if people suggest that being invited to race like MSR at this stage of team existence seems a bit premature I don't think you can argue that they don't see things realistically.
 
Also, we remember Pegasus. They apparently were going to do the Tour of Qatar, Paris-Nice, MSR, Gent-Wevelgem, E3, Amstel, Flèche and the Tour.

While the noises coming out of the Aqua Blue camp are nothing like as grandiose or, as it turned out, self-delusional as those that came from Pegasus, it does lead to a team that as yet only has four riders listed claiming major wildcards being greeted with a little trepidation.
 
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The ultimate goal for Aqua Blue Sport is to participate at a World Tour level by year four and compete in the Tour de France, but for now sights are firmly set on the 2017 Professional Continental season which hopefully will include races such as Milan-San Remo, Amstel Gold and the Tour of Britain. Aqua Blue Sport have also been invited to attend the launch of the 2017 Tour de France by event organisers ASO.

The above is from the press release on the team's website. Note the word "hopefully" that was missing in the CN article. So it seems like they are not jumping the gun on this at all. The most likely scenario seems to be that are in discussions about getting invites to these races (otherwise why mention these ones in particular).

Anyway, I'm really excited for an Irish Pro-Conti team
 
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StephenC2020 said:
The ultimate goal for Aqua Blue Sport is to participate at a World Tour level by year four and compete in the Tour de France, but for now sights are firmly set on the 2017 Professional Continental season which hopefully will include races such as Milan-San Remo, Amstel Gold and the Tour of Britain. Aqua Blue Sport have also been invited to attend the launch of the 2017 Tour de France by event organisers ASO.

The above is from the press release on the team's website. Note the word "hopefully" that was missing in the CN article. So it seems like they are not jumping the gun on this at all. The most likely scenario seems to be that are in discussions about getting invites to these races (otherwise why mention these ones in particular).

Anyway, I'm really excited for an Irish Pro-Conti team
Ah, so that was quite misleading reporting from CN...
 
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PeterB said:
StephenC2020 said:
The ultimate goal for Aqua Blue Sport is to participate at a World Tour level by year four and compete in the Tour de France, but for now sights are firmly set on the 2017 Professional Continental season which hopefully will include races such as Milan-San Remo, Amstel Gold and the Tour of Britain. Aqua Blue Sport have also been invited to attend the launch of the 2017 Tour de France by event organisers ASO.

The above is from the press release on the team's website. Note the word "hopefully" that was missing in the CN article. So it seems like they are not jumping the gun on this at all. The most likely scenario seems to be that are in discussions about getting invites to these races (otherwise why mention these ones in particular).

Anyway, I'm really excited for an Irish Pro-Conti team
Ah, so that was quite misleading reporting from CN...

I feel that over half of all hubbubbs relating to team and rider relations etc are due to misquotes and poor translations. oh well...

A team with Nordhaug should not be that far from a invitation to some of the Ardenner races, MSR seems a stretch further.
 
I was not entirely convinced that Aqua Blue would actually get going. Frankly, I didn't think that their backer was rich enough to fund a PCT team as a personal enthusiasm and I found it hard to see where PCT level commercial sponsorship could come from. Ireland's a small country with a shaky economy and PCT teams are expensive to run and don't get vast amounts of mainstream publicity. It seems that their owner/backer is indeed rich enough to fund a team as a personal enthusiasm and the news so far seems to indicate that they aren't doing things on the cheap - buying IAMs fancy bus, signing Nordhaug, the claim in the press release that the owner has guaranteed funding for four seasons.

In fact, give or take a bit of confusion about invites to races which don't ennounce invites for months, they are starting out quite well. In Nordhaug they've signed a higher level leader than would be expected of a brand new PCT team. Brammeier is a good all-round rider with plenty of experience and was the only current Irish pro they could reasonably have hoped to sign. Irvine has quite a high domestic profile, due to the novelty value of an Irish track world champion, and has been at PCT level before. Dunne is one of the best of the Irish Conti riders and is certainly good enough for a pro contract.

Brammeier, Irvine and Dunne are part of a very thin layer of Irish riders who are already of the necessary level but who aren't completely unaffordable. They are the kind of riders they needed to sign if they are serious about building an Irish focused PCT team. If they hadn't made those signings, we would have had to assume that the ambition and budget levels involved weren't significantly above those of a Conti team. Nordhaug is a more interesting signing because it's unexpected - he's a bigger name than you'd expect a new PCT outfit to be able to sign without him being long past his best years. They've also brought in some experienced back room staff, which is another good sign.

The rest of the signings will be interesting to watch. 12 more to come. The other Irish riders will be Conti riders or young prospects it is safe to presume, just because there is a scarcity of other riders who are already better than that but not beyond a new PCT team's reach. It is just about possible that they could sign Eddie Dunbar, who would obviously be the most highly touted Irish rider who has yet to join the pros, assuming Dunbar is willing to leave Axeon and doesn't have better offers. But the likelihood is that it will be low profile guys because that's what there is to choose from. The other non-Irish riders will be a more important indication of their ambition level.
 
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PeterB said:
StephenC2020 said:
The ultimate goal for Aqua Blue Sport is to participate at a World Tour level by year four and compete in the Tour de France, but for now sights are firmly set on the 2017 Professional Continental season which hopefully will include races such as Milan-San Remo, Amstel Gold and the Tour of Britain. Aqua Blue Sport have also been invited to attend the launch of the 2017 Tour de France by event organisers ASO.

The above is from the press release on the team's website. Note the word "hopefully" that was missing in the CN article. So it seems like they are not jumping the gun on this at all. The most likely scenario seems to be that are in discussions about getting invites to these races (otherwise why mention these ones in particular).

Anyway, I'm really excited for an Irish Pro-Conti team
Ah, so that was quite misleading reporting from CN...

While I give CN shtick, this one is 100% on the team.

The "hopefully" wasn't originally there. It was added later to clear up confusion after they got a lot of inquiries about their ambiguous phrasing. The original phrasing in the press release was "which so far includes Milan-San Remo, Amstel Gold and the Tour of Britain."

When CN first put up the article I thought it couldn't be right, so I went to aqua blue's site to check. it was quoted accurately, to my surprise.


as seen for example in these places that haven't yet bothered to update with the new quote

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/new-irish-pro-team-aqua-blue-sport-unveils-its-first-four-riders/
http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/37539474
http://www.rte.ie/sport/cycling/2016/1003/821122-irvine-reverses-retirement-for-irish-team/

etc.
you get the point

(EDIT: more links)