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DBotero said:
JRanton said:
StryderHells said:
DBotero said:
It looks like Swift will leave Sky for Lampre.**** it i was hoping they get rid of Viviani instead :( Teams are trying to sign J.Rod for his WT points :eek:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rider-prices-rise-as-teams-reach-panic-over-worldtour-points/

What's wrong with Viviani? He's a quality sprinter who can fend for himself which seems a perfect fit for the GC focused Sky

Yes, I agree. He had nine wins last season including a Giro stage. If people are judging him on his road results this season then that would be silly considering he has been training and focussing on the track all year (with the blessing and help of Sky and Pinarello).

I don't care how much he wins.I think a pure sprinter is useless for a team like Sky.On the other way a more versatile rider like Swift seems like a better fit for a GC focused team.

Swift never wins races though. I don't think they're interested in 2nd place at Milan San-Remo even though that's a very good result.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Mainly as Movistar have around half the budget of Sky if those figures that came out in July are accurate, and they seldom make big marquee signings. They don't represent a wholesale change in the sport because they've been in existence, doing business the same way, for over 35 years, being one of the top teams for the majority of those. Sky are, rightly or wrongly, perceived in the way that, say, Manchester City are - that the success is bought rather than built. This is even the case despite riders like Froome who've clearly become stronger riders since being there and some riders being bought as prospects (such as Henao and Moscon). When was the last time Abarcá made a marquee signing that matches the kind of scale of the Landa or Kwiatkowski signings? Cobo probably? That's five years ago. And even then, he'd been there before and it was more off waivers than anything else due to pressure to have the Vuelta winner on a Spanish team. Before that, Visconti who'd been previously at a ProConti team he'd clearly outgrown. Abarcá do a lot of frustrating things - overly molly-coddling riders, paying over the odds on clearly over the hill mountain helpers (Gadret, Szmyd, Moreau, Bruseghin), re-signing riders they've previously had (Moreno, Plaza, Costa, Valverde) or taking flyers on riders whose careers are regressing (Antón, Rujano, Betancur), but just throwing the chequebook at big names to fill out their roster is not an accusation you can realistically level at them.

In fairness to them, most of Sky's biggest names were not bought as big stars, and those riders who were have often been the ones to have stagnated or regressed at Sky - Lövkvist, Boasson Hagen et al.. But the fact that they have bought a bunch of riders who had been interesting stagehunters and added to the entertainment value of races, and promptly set them to work doing the exact opposite, does breed resentment, and understandably so. Going to Sky may be beneficial to Kenny's bank balance, and may improve his skills as a rider, which is good for him. I have my doubts, much as was detailed in somebody else's post earlier - he goes from being an interesting stagehunter and secondary classification candidate in a team that gives him freedom to just another domestique in a team where he'll be about 23rd in the priorities list, nestled between the guy responsible for the mood lighting and the guy paid to delete stupid things Peter Kennaugh says on social media. However, we as fans watch this sport as it entertains us, and seeing somebody who entertains us making a move that makes it likely that he will not be doing that going forward, is a reason for the negativity with which this apparent transfer is being greeted.

It is like a stylish and skilled but not elite footballer who could be a great playmaker for a mid-table team signing for a Manchester City or a Real Madrid - they'll do a good job when they come on, and they'll get a good contract, but mostly they'll sit on the bench for a couple of years because those teams have superstars in the same kind of role he can command.

If Unzue has managed to construct that roster with half the budget of Sky then he deserves to be knighted (or whatever the equivalent is in Spain). I know Movistar have a competitive advantage by being the only Spanish WT team, which must help secure a few bargains amongst their armada of quality domestiques, but I can't believe they are so underpaid that the difference in budget is that big.
 
DBotero said:
JRanton said:
StryderHells said:
DBotero said:
It looks like Swift will leave Sky for Lampre.**** it i was hoping they get rid of Viviani instead :( Teams are trying to sign J.Rod for his WT points :eek:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rider-prices-rise-as-teams-reach-panic-over-worldtour-points/

What's wrong with Viviani? He's a quality sprinter who can fend for himself which seems a perfect fit for the GC focused Sky

Yes, I agree. He had nine wins last season including a Giro stage. If people are judging him on his road results this season then that would be silly considering he has been training and focussing on the track all year (with the blessing and help of Sky and Pinarello).

I don't care how much he wins.I think a pure sprinter is useless for a team like Sky.On the other way a more versatile rider like Swift seems like a better fit for a GC focused team.

He lacks the top end speed required to win though.
 
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JRanton said:
If Unzue has managed to construct that roster with half the budget of Sky then he deserves to be knighted (or whatever the equivalent is in Spain). I know Movistar have a competitive advantage by being the only Spanish WT team, which must help secure a few bargains amongst their armada of quality domestiques, but I can't believe they are so underpaid that the difference in budget is that big.
http://cyclingtips.com/2016/07/can-...-look-at-team-budgets-and-the-value-equation/
 
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RedheadDane said:
Jonhard said:
Has there been any confirmation or alternative source for the Elissonde transfer?

Whoever made that one up must be loving the outrage levels.

What makes you so convinced it isn't true? :confused:
I first saw it from the CN homepage, and they - usually - have their sources in order...

Not convinced, just sceptical - it's a rumour, and CN quote the same source as originally noted here, Velopro, but perhaps they have some corroboration. We'll see I guess :)
 
Elissonde is an interesting choice by Sky - It's probably part of a long term plan to get a GC French rider into the field - France wants to see another French rider win the TDF - Don't think it matters whether the rider is part of a French team.
 
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wouterkaas said:
Bernhard said:
Transfer of Konig Will be announced on Sept 20th. Apparently leaving Sky.
He's apparently going back to Bora
Not the smartest move for Bora, they already have Rafal as their gc rider for the Tour and if they get the WT spot they'll have Bennett and Buchmann + Konrad for Giro and Vuelta.
For the same money they could probably get a strong domestique for Sagan and one for Majka.
 
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Mayomaniac said:
wouterkaas said:
Bernhard said:
Transfer of Konig Will be announced on Sept 20th. Apparently leaving Sky.
He's apparently going back to Bora
Not the smartest move for Bora, they already have Rafal as their gc rider for the Tour and if they get the WT spot they'll have Bennett and Buchmann + Konrad for Giro and Vuelta.
For the same money they could probably get a strong domestique for Sagan and one for Majka.

Konig has better of shot of doing well in the GC in either the Giro or Vuelta than both Buchman and Konrad at this stage, also the squad needs depth seeing as Sagan has monopolised the budget so at least with Konig they get a solid GC rider for a reasonable price.
 
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StryderHells said:
Mayomaniac said:
wouterkaas said:
Bernhard said:
Transfer of Konig Will be announced on Sept 20th. Apparently leaving Sky.
He's apparently going back to Bora
Not the smartest move for Bora, they already have Rafal as their gc rider for the Tour and if they get the WT spot they'll have Bennett and Buchmann + Konrad for Giro and Vuelta.
For the same money they could probably get a strong domestique for Sagan and one for Majka.

Konig has better of shot of doing well in the GC in either the Giro or Vuelta than both Buchman and Konrad at this stage, also the squad needs depth seeing as Sagan has monopolised the budget so at least with Konig they get a solid GC rider for a reasonable price.
Of course he has a better shoot at this stage, but they really seem to rate their Germann speaking gc prospects highly and I don't know if the price for König will be reasonable, for the same money they could probably get 2 really good domestiques.
On another note, any news about Vegard Stake Laengen? He'd be a good fit for a few teams, big engine, good TT specialist and for being 80kg heavy he's an underrated climber (he finished 4th on gc in the 2011 Tour De L'avenir), he's the kind of guy who could be a good fit for Team Sky.
 
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Mayomaniac said:
StryderHells said:
Mayomaniac said:
wouterkaas said:
Bernhard said:
Transfer of Konig Will be announced on Sept 20th. Apparently leaving Sky.
He's apparently going back to Bora
Not the smartest move for Bora, they already have Rafal as their gc rider for the Tour and if they get the WT spot they'll have Bennett and Buchmann + Konrad for Giro and Vuelta.
For the same money they could probably get a strong domestique for Sagan and one for Majka.

Konig has better of shot of doing well in the GC in either the Giro or Vuelta than both Buchman and Konrad at this stage, also the squad needs depth seeing as Sagan has monopolised the budget so at least with Konig they get a solid GC rider for a reasonable price.
Of course he has a better shoot at this stage, but they really seem to rate their Germann speaking gc prospects highly and I don't know if the price for König will be reasonable, for the same money they could probably get 2 really good domestiques.

Buchmann and Konrad are both good prospects but are young and at this stage are better off riding support especially when it comes to Konrad, Konig won't be costing a fortune for the type of rider he is and he'll have the sponsors name in the GC of a GT next season which is important which Buchmann and Konrad won't. Also there isn't a heap of quality Doms left to buy as they will all be getting better offers money wise by teams like Bahrain who need to sign riders, Sagan, Majka and Konig don't need a lot of support around them anyway.
 
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Mayomaniac said:
wouterkaas said:
Bernhard said:
Transfer of Konig Will be announced on Sept 20th. Apparently leaving Sky.
He's apparently going back to Bora
Not the smartest move for Bora, they already have Rafal as their gc rider for the Tour and if they get the WT spot they'll have Bennett and Buchmann + Konrad for Giro and Vuelta.
For the same money they could probably get a strong domestique for Sagan and one for Majka.
Majka has managed to fit in well with Kreuziger and Contador at Tinkoff, so I don't see why things wouldn't work with Konig at Bora. There's three GT's in a season, so Majka can go for Giro/Vuelta/Ardennes while Konig does the TDF and one week races. They'll be fine.
 
Joey Rosskopf BMC
Antoine Duchesne Direct Energie
Both renew their contracts.

Marco Marcato signed for TJ Sport - Lampre.
Simone Antonini leaves Wanty, rumoured to Bahrain.
Nathan Van Hooydonck ex BMC dev team signs for BMC
Alex Aranburu ex Euskadi to Caja Rural