Tyler Hamilton confessions/accusations

[Ryo Hazuki]

Then are we going to arrest Eddie Merkx as well for testing positive? Why would Armstrong be the only one who goes to prison for doping?

If we're talking about today's riders then what influences them most is what they believe other current riders are doing. They have seen many successful past riders banned for doping and it doesn't make any difference - it's all about the rules and procedures that they currently face.

merckx has been caught and punished, lance hasn't and he's the biggest icon so he needs to hang.

 

[D-Queued]

merckx has been caught and punished, lance hasn't and he's the biggest icon so he needs to hang.

No point in responding to SuperHuman, he is already history.

Dave.

 

[blackcat]

"We like our word"

 

[MarkvW]

Congratulations to Jan Ullrich on his 4 Tour de France titles.

Th. .Th . .Th. .That's all ffolks!

 

[D-Queued]

"We like our word"

Dave.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Ya, don't release any news about doping leading up to ToC, or any GT, or WCs, or any other major race. Also don't release any doping news during any of these races. Since that really doesn't leave much time on the calendar to release news at a good time, how about we just not release any news at all.

Well, then ignore the damning facts that Zomegnan's 2008 Giro podium was CERA free because he made sure they didn't perform CERA testing in 2008. The only reason it was dug up again was no one has tested for CERA despite 3 years of promises.

 

[MarkvW]

merckx has been caught and punished, lance hasn't and he's the biggest icon so he needs to hang.

The image of a hanging icon is probably very powerful to the Russian bicycle racers.

 

[luckyboy]

Heh, just caught up with all of this due to exam/revision.

Lance's Twitter has been hilarious in response to this. Wtf is that website?! Everytime something new happens, I can't wait for the conclusion of this case so we can see all the information for ourselves.

Good on Tyler anyway.


That interview snippet was weird to watch. It really looks like they've edited Tyler to fit with the questions.

I'm not at all implying it's tampered, just that it looks wrong aesthetically.

 

[D-Queued]

Oh Man. HOMERUN!!! Can you get that on twitter. That is awesome

Ditto.

Also, looks like the Twitter dialog is tracking at least 40-50:1 negative for Armstrong.

What happened to PS, DemandMedia, and all those interns? Time to cancel some checks.

Dave.

 

[auscyclefan94]

A naive lance fanboy is abusing me and defending armstrong. ACF is on the offensive

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Won't that be the ultimate irony of this? What with this being the post-Indurain, post-EPO era, and what with Jan being Jan, you know he wasn't clean either, he just managed not to test positive.

 

[Granville57]

I really hope someone puts Frankie, Floyd and Tyler in the same room together. The same stories from different years will be very hard discredit.

I really hope NOBODY puts them in the same room together. That way you avoid the inevitable defense claim of collusion should they all be called as witnesses in any trial. Why make the prosecutor's life harder?

How about a courtroom?

 

[Anonymous]

Won't that be the ultimate irony of this? What with this being the post-Indurain, post-EPO era, and what with Jan being Jan, you know he wasn't clean either, he just managed not to test positive.

That will move Ullrich to a 5-time tour winner So the 5 time winners will be Ullrich, Merckx, Indurain, Hinault and Anuetil.

Congrats Ulle!! A very exclusive club.

 

[webvan]

Won't that be the ultimate irony of this? What with this being the post-Indurain, post-EPO era, and what with Jan being Jan, you know he wasn't clean either, he just managed not to test positive.

It's really too bad he got involved with Fuentes...according to Pevenage as a result of being ****** off at being trashed by an inferior athlete.

 

[MarkvW]

How about a courtroom?

Nope. The lawyers almost always object and the judge always makes the other witness sit outside.

 

[blackcat]

Now Anthony Tan is forced to acknowledge Armstrong doped, he comes out with this rubbish

"Comment from a NYT reader: "prosecuting [LA] and singling him out is meaningless because whoever takes his place in the records...
... is likely also guilty. Give everyone immunity so the story can get out and let us move on."


You are unbelievable Tan!

I hear Tan can rock a midnight blue suit tho eh NewCyclingPath?

 

[Granville57]

Bicycling Magazine - Nov, 2007

This makes for a fun read again. It really puts into perspective the personal/family pressure that Tyler must've had to contend with all these years by maintaining the lie.

http://books.google.com/books?id=vcUDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA16&dq=bicycling%20magazine%20november%202007&pg=PA76#v=onepage&q=bicycling%20magazine%20november%202007&f=false

JV on Tyler

“I don’t know if he’s necessarily a bad person. I don’t want to say that he’s crazy but I really think that it’s almost like a pathological condition.” Tyler put himself where can no longer tell the truth, says Vaughters. “His parents taught him that you have to be fair and you always have to be a gracious winner and a good loser. He must feel like, if I tell the truth no one will ever care for me again, including my parents. If that’s the case, is lying being a nasty, mean cold person or is it just trying to save the last little bit of love that you have in your life? I don’t know.”

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Not to be snide, but psychoanalysis and sartorial matters are probably the last two issues on which I'd take advice from Vaughters.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Won't that be the ultimate irony of this? What with this being the post-Indurain, post-EPO era, and what with Jan being Jan, you know he wasn't clean either, he just managed not to test positive.

as pevenage once said, if all were clean ullrich would've won the tour 7 times

 

[webvan]

Argh...this makes me sad...

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

That will move Ullrich to a 5-time tour winner So the 5 time winners will be Ullrich, Merckx, Indurain, Hinault and Anuetil.

Congrats Ulle!! A very exclusive club.

of course not. the tours of 1999-2001 will still be for lance because of 10 year rule and others will be without winner I hope.

 

[Granville57]

Not to be snide, but psychoanalysis and sartorial matters are probably the last two issues on which I'd take advice from Vaughters.

He's a very minor part of the article.

It's interesting to note just how damning he was of Tyler's stance back then. He really called him out on the lie.

But if he knew some years ago what Tyler was up to, and he knew from his own experience what Lance had been up to, then how can he expect us to believe, in regards to Tyler's confession, that he doesn't "know enough about the story to say more.”

 

[blackcat]

JayVee:

“I don’t know if he’s necessarily a bad person. I don’t want to say that he’s crazy but I really think that it’s almost like a pathological condition.” Tyler put himself where can no longer tell the truth, says Vaughters. “His parents taught him that you have to be fair and you always have to be a gracious winner and a good loser.”

projection:

Projection is one of the defense mechanisms identified by Freud and still acknowledged today. According to Freud, projection is when someone is threatened by or afraid of their own impulses so they attribute these impulses to someone else.

wonder if Trent Lowe would think there is some projection goin on

His father, Jim, was the attorney. His mother, Donna, was a speech pathology professor. A small, wiry, boy, it wasn’t a conventional childhood. His bedtime stories were Thomas Jefferson quotes from the American Bill of Rights and his most vivid childhood memories were of watching his father in court.

“The one time my dad would be passionate was in front of a jury,” he says. “Sometimes we wouldn’t have a babysitter and he would take me with him and I’d sit there, listening as he set out his case in a very nonchalant way: ‘Well, if you could explain that to me please because I don’t understand’. It was never confrontational, but you could see him leading the witness down this path where they had no other option but to answer truthfully.

Lowe, versus White, Millar, Contador... hmmm some cognitive dissonance going on.

 

[frenchfry]

The really big news here is that Tyler corroborates Floyd's story that the UCI covered up the 2001 positive. After all, there wasn't any doubt about the doping part.

So all those 500+ negatives are meaningless, because the positives were hidden by the corrupt UCI, and in particular Verdruggen. Strange that the UCI threatened a lawsuit against Floyd, they must have had some knowledge of Tylers coming clean. Are they going to threaten to sue Tyler as well?

By the way, I hope this gives Tyler a maximum of peace in his life. I just can't help thinking he is really a nice guy. Maybe its that preppy look.

 

[MD FACG FACP]

I'm still not sure what this means for Lance. Like most people I have my suspicions but the court requires a greater level of proof than what is being offered by the witnesses. While the amount of hearsay evidence keeps building, at the end of the day a million times nothing still equals nothing. Another proven liar makes allegations about him. So what? Unfortunately Tyler can't prove what was in Lance's fridge or what Lance was injecting... if he was injecting anything at all. Unless someone has some proper physical evidence somewhere the reality is Lance can just keep denying it.[/QUOT]

So are you saying no one is in jail because of eye witness testimony ?