Tyler Hamilton confessions/accusations

[Moose McKnuckles]

Translation:

"I haven't yet seen any evidence that will convict Lance either."

Thanks mate, reading you loud and clear.

Have you and OJ found "the real killers" yet?

 

[Polyarmour]

Have you and OJ found "the real killers" yet?

I would have convicted OJ in a flash.
The physical evidence was overwhelming.
None of this, he told me, she said, I opened his fridge and saw something and I think it was...

 

[D-Queued]

i.m just thinking for armstrong, 'what a fool i was to unretire in 2009...this crap would never have come to light'

yes, thank you lance for unretiring !

Well, when you think about it, he really did bring us hope after all.

Dave.

 

[Granville57]

RadioShack physiologist Allen Lim said simply: “I don’t know how to react.”

Yeah, based on previous “reactions” by Lim, that’s probably very true.
http://video.bicycling.com/video/ATOC-Allen-Lim-addresses-allega
(RE: FLandis' accusations at the 2010 ToC)

I just can't get enough of that one.

 

[Maxiton]

Let's all take a moment to welcome the great man himself to the forum. Lance, thanks for stopping by (or paying someone to do so). It's a great compliment to us all that you care that much.

I believe we have heard from the man but it wasn't this guy. Go back and read the thread again and you'll hear the familiar speech patterns of a certain mr Armstrong in one SuperHuman. Too bad he's already banned. I enjoyed hearing his perspective.

 

[D-Queued]

Yeah, based on previous “reactions” by Lim, that’s probably very true.
http://video.bicycling.com/video/ATOC-Allen-Lim-addresses-allega
(From FLandis' accusations at the 2010 ToC)

I just can't get enough of that one.

No kidding. The close up on the Nike, RadioShack, Livestrong ware is priceless as he repeats his lie.

Dave.

 

[funnytanlines]

LOL. he's going to need a better case then that when he faces the grand jury

@lancearmstrong
Lance Armstrong
20+ year career. 500 drug controls worldwide, in and out of competition. Never a failed test. I rest my case.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I am not sure if I am happy or unhappy about this. Some people are still so naive (mike tomalaris for example).

This tweet really ****ed me off by Pharmstrong

"Congratulations to @eki_ekimov on his 3rd Olympic Gold Medal!!"


http://twitter.com/#!/lancearmstrong/status/71387605509472257

 

[MarkvW]

Lol, that's a bit of a cop out after telling me I don't understand the law or trials.

Well let me make it even simpler for you. I haven't seen anything yet that would convince a jury that LA is guilty. All the evidence I have seen so far (whether it is true or not) will be refuted by counterclaims that the proponent is either a proven liar or has something to gain by making the allegations.

So since you know more than me, what have I missed? What is the evidence that has been presented so far that will sink Lance?

What crime are you analyzing, young sophist? Before you can analyze guilt, you must consider a crime.

To consider the crime, you must first consider the evidence that has been gathered. You must look at that evidence with an open mind and consider what crimes are suggested by that evidence.

When you have selected crimes that possibly apply, for each crime you go through each the elements of that crime and, for each element, determine whether or not you have sufficient (1) ADMISSIBLE evidence to (2) prove that element beyond a reasonable doubt. This involves consideration of the FRE (Federal Rules of Evidence), practical witness availability considerations, and commonsense. If you can prove all the elements (and the feds will only move against Lance if they anticipate a one-sided slaughter), then you ask yourself (or your boss decides) SHOULD I go after this idiot? If you can, and you should, then you ask the GJ to indict.

Nobody knows the evidence that the Feds have amassed, so nobody can assess the array of possible charges that Lance could conceivably face. There are way too many variables for anything but the grossest speculation (which I engage in with the most zestful glee).

Linking Armstrong's innocence to the absence of a guilty finding is about as stupid as saying that Lance never doped because he passed 500 tests. To illustrate the point: (1) O.J. was not guilty of murdering Nicole; and (2) O.J. brutally killed Nicole.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

By the time Novitzky is done with Armstrong, Lance's proctologist will be just throwing a hotdog down a hallway.

 

[DirtyWorks]

What kind of message do you think we're sending to the riders of today

If the rider makes it into the Pro road peloton, something like, "dope safely and the UCI has your back..... Maybe... Today... Not tomorrow... Maybe..." That's why Pat and Hein have to go, preferably to jail first. Tailwind figures into the list of felons too.

if the single most successful rider of the last decade, a proved doper who retired this very season, is allowed to walk away from the sport with his reputation and palmares intact?

Already baked into the cake! The UCI has been around long enough for the institution to know that history has a way of forgetting most of the bad stuff. This is really bad, but it will be forgotten.

 

[Granville57]

Floyd chimes in:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/landis-speaks-on-hamilton-confession

Re: "Lance Armstrong is the most tested athlete in the history of sports: He has passed nearly 500 tests over twenty years of competition."

However Landis countered the last sentence, mentioning the as yet unproven allegations he made last year in which he stated that the UCI had covered up a positive doping control on behalf of Armstrong. "500 tests that come back negative is meaningless because the tests don't work. All the negative tests in the world don't hide the fact that there were positive tests that were covered up."

I really hope someone puts Frankie, Floyd and Tyler in the same room together. The same stories from different years will be very hard discredit.

 

[MarkvW]

By the time Novitzky is done with Armstrong, Lance's proctologist will be just throwing a hotdog down a hallway.

I'd just be happy to see Lance's tearful confession on Oprah.

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

why do these guys wait the the ToC to grab some limelight?

Ya, don't release any news about doping leading up to ToC, or any GT, or WCs, or any other major race. Also don't release any doping news during any of these races. Since that really doesn't leave much time on the calendar to release news at a good time, how about we just not release any news at all.

 

[frenchfry]

Wow, Tyler seems pretty sad and rickety. Where is the joy and jubilation in him?

He might be worried about the "mafia" he has previously referred to. I wonder just who might be the leader of this so called "mafia"?

 

[Ninety5rpm]

I am not sure if I am happy or unhappy about this. Some people are still so naive (mike tomalaris for example).

This tweet really ****ed me off by Pharmstrong

"Congratulations to @eki_ekimov on his 3rd Olympic Gold Medal!!"


http://twitter.com/#!/lancearmstrong/status/71387605509472257

What an ahole.

 

[MarkvW]

Floyd chimes in:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/landis-speaks-on-hamilton-confession

Re: "Lance Armstrong is the most tested athlete in the history of sports: He has passed nearly 500 tests over twenty years of competition."


I really hope someone puts Frankie, Floyd and Tyler in the same room together. The same stories from different years will be very hard discredit.

I really hope NOBODY puts them in the same room together. That way you avoid the inevitable defense claim of collusion should they all be called as witnesses in any trial. Why make the prosecutor's life harder?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Congratulations to Jan Ullrich on his 4 Tour de France titles.

 

[Anonymous]

What an ahole.

It's the Simeoni thing over and over and over.

LA isn't just an Ahole, he's a stupid Ahole.

 

[Anonymous]

Congratulations to Jan Ullrich on his 4 Tour de France titles.

Oh Man. HOMERUN!!! Can you get that on twitter. That is awesome

 

[sashimono]

I wonder about people who suddenly decide to be "completely honest" when they are plummeting into an abyss. Is seems a lot like torture -- where people will supposedly confess to anything just to end the pain.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Congratulations to Jan Ullrich on his 4 Tour de France titles.

Now Anthony Tan is forced to acknowledge Armstrong doped, he comes out with this rubbish

"Comment from a NYT reader: "prosecuting [LA] and singling him out is meaningless because whoever takes his place in the records...
... is likely also guilty. Give everyone immunity so the story can get out and let us move on."


You are unbelievable Tan!

 

[Big Doopie]

all i think about are those who for years were reviled by so many for simply telling the truth, people like lemond and betsy andreu.

nothing may ever make up for what they were forced to go through, but perhaps this is just one more element of vindication, one which makes the world a better place.

 

[Anonymous]

I wonder about people who suddenly decide to be "completely honest" when they are plummeting into an abyss. Is seems a lot like torture -- where people will supposedly confess to anything just to end the pain.

Yes. I think you are on to somthing there

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I wonder about people who suddenly decide to be "completely honest" when they are plummeting into an abyss. Is seems a lot like torture -- where people will supposedly confess to anything just to end the pain.

How exactly are they going to end the pain if they keep lying, Sigmund?

I've heard better psychoanalysis from Lucy in Peanuts.