Tyler Hamilton confessions/accusations

[thehog]

EuroSport refusing to talk about it. Shocking. Saying we need more information. Who are these guys kidding?

 

[Cimacoppi49]

To say this all is going to end badly for Lance is such an understatement. Seriously, he should be guarded to ensure he remains medically available for comment.
At this point, what allows him to keep on going? Some pressure from his inner circle, his kids, and a lot of twisted ideas in his head, but all that is wearing down. Especially when the brainwashed kids inevitably lose faith in his word. Every man is going to crack at some point.
When Léon was implicated as blood doping facilitator, he committed suicide within a matter of days. Never got to offer his side of the story.
We need Lance alive, for a long time, to take full blame, and be subject of our endless jokes at his grotesk evil and stupidity.

In politics there are very few honorable people. I can recall one, Donald Mannes, the Queens Co. NY Democratic Party leader who was involved in the Parking Violations Bureau scandal years ago. When caught he did the only honorable thing. He admitted his involvement and killed himself.

Sadly, I don't see the Uniballer as an honorable person. This will play out for several years in the courts after he and his friends in fraud are indicted. His kids will suffer the poverty he grew up in after their trusts have been seized by the US government in forfeiture proceedings. Once he's indicted, look for the feds to freeze all of his assets. As Sarah M sang, "This is going to hurt like hell."

 

[spalco]

EuroSport refusing to talk about it. Shocking. Saying we need more information. Who are these guys kidding?

Well, I don't think doping is one of Kelly's favourite topics to talk about...

 

[kurtinsc]

My objection is because it is not true - you think every single person who threw a leg over a bike doped??

If it is so prevalent as you suggest, then why does Armstrong continue to deny it?

No, I think everyone who has a top 5 in a grand tour since Lemond's last win has doped... perhaps even before that. Most who say "everyone" mean "everyone of note" or "everyone in contention".

I'm sure there are some invisible riders who didn't dope. I'm sure some of them may not have been invisible if everyone was riding clean. But I can't help but thinking that if you took all of Lance's TDF wins away... we'd still have a doper having won in all of those years.

How far would we have to go down the list in most years. Look at 2005.

winner - Lance... doped.
2nd - Basso... doped.
3rd - Ullrich... doped.
4th - Mancebo... doped.
5th - Vino... doped.
6th - Leipheimer... doped.
7th - Rasmussen... doped.
8th - Evans... hasn't been caught yet.
9th - Landis... doped.
10th - Pereiro... doped... but had an excuse for taking the salbutamol during his tour win.
11th - Moreau... doped.
12th - Popo... doped.
13th - Mazzoleni... doped.
14th - Hincapie... doped.
15th - Zubeldia... no allegations I know of.
16th - Jaksche... doped.
17th - Julich... no allegations I know of.
18th - Sevilla... doped.
19th - Kashekin... doped.
20th - Guerrini... not caught.

That's 4 of the top 20 who haven't been caught doping, and all of them have ties to teams that were heavily doped at some point in their careers.

Perhaps saying "all" is a bit too broad a brush. How about "the vast majority of successful riders" instead?

 

[WorldsGreatest]

Don't the Yanks love doing them lie detector tests? They should offer one to LANCE.

 

[Magic Spanner]

EuroSport refusing to talk about it. Shocking. Saying we need more information. Who are these guys kidding?

Wrong - yes

Shocking - no

Wouldn't expect anything else. "These guys" will argue they are employed to describe today's Giro stage. Pathetic. Privately they will argue the producer and lawyers prevented them from expressing comment which is probably true but still wrong.

If you are not part of the solution you are part of the Omerta...... Oops I mean problem.

 

[Mellow Velo]

EuroSport refusing to talk about it. Shocking. Saying we need more information. Who are these guys kidding?

Well, the waffled around until Kelly came out with the line about why Hamilton didn't do this 3 years ago, so it must be fabrication.
Of course, that would have meant Tyler going straight from denial, to a pioneering first out of the doping closet.

I'm surprised they didn't blame Vino.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Don't the Yanks love doing them lie detector tests? They should offer one to LANCE.

Not admissible in court. I know of a woman who stole >$500K from a bank she worked in and passed the FBI lie detector test with flying colors. She didn't consider it stealing.

 

[Mambo95]

Riis was outside the SOL (8 years)- please stop ignoring that.

Four of Armstrong's wins are too, soon to be five.

 

[WorldsGreatest]

Not admissible in court. I know of a woman who stole >$500K from a bank she worked in and passed the FBI lie detector test with flying colors. She didn't consider it stealing.

I am aware of it not being admissible in court. However, I would like to see LANCE's response if they asked him to do one.

 

[Magic Spanner]

No, I think everyone who has a top 5 in a grand tour since Lemond's last win has doped... perhaps even before that.

Wiggins?

Am I being naive and British in wanting to believe?

 

[thehog]

Wrong - yes

Shocking - no

Wouldn't expect anything else. "These guys" will argue they are employed to describe today's Giro stage. Pathetic. Privately they will argue the producer and lawyers prevented them from expressing comment which is probably true but still wrong.

If you are not part of the solution you are part of the Omerta...... Oops I mean problem.

Understand. But they've spoken on doping for minutes on end about mid-pack cyclists.

 

[kurtinsc]

Yes, actually I do.
The 'Tour' as you call it do not get to select who does or does not win - they enforce the results if someone gets sanctioned.
This is too big for USADA to ignore.

Riis was outside the SOL (8 years)- please stop ignoring that.

All but 2 of Lance's wins are outside of 8 years. THAT would be odd. And would they have to just find ANY doping evidence or evidence during the last two tours to take the last two away?

It would be odd to see Ivan Basso and Andreas Kloden be elevated as "clean tour champions" for 2004 and 2005.

 

[Magic Spanner]

No, I think everyone who has a top 5 in a grand tour since Lemond's last win has doped... perhaps even before that.

Wiggins?

Am I being naive and British in wanting to believe?

Ignore this. I guess it would be a new thread. Let's stick to Armstrong / Hamilton.

 

[spalco]

Wiggins?

Am I being naive and British in wanting to believe?

Probably yes. Don't bet any money on him having been clean.

eta: sorry, too late, but no need to discuss it any further.

 

[kurtinsc]

No, I think everyone who has a top 5 in a grand tour since Lemond's last win has doped... perhaps even before that.

Wiggins?

Am I being naive and British in wanting to believe?

Yes, you're being naive.

Guy who can't climb a speed-bump a year earlier goes to finishing top 5 at the tour... solely due to weight loss?

That's nearly as good as Lance's "cadence" argument. Or Contador's "tainted steak".

 

[Magic Spanner]

Understand. But they've spoken on doping for minutes on end about mid-pack cyclists.

Easy victims maybe?

Armstrong bullies and scares many in the cycling world.

 

[Anonymous]

Not sure if this has been posted...

CBS' Fager said that after every conversation with Armstrong’s lawyers, “they would guess who it was in our story and try to assassinate their character. They would say, ‘If so-and-so’s in it, we’re not going to participate.’… They just want to tear that person apart in public.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-05-19/lance-armstrong-60-minutes-unfair-doping-allegations/?cid=hp:mainpromo4#


More evidence of how this will play out. LA will go down with the ship.

 

[thehog]

Armstrong bullies and scares many in the cycling world.

I'm waiting for facts4lance.org before I start to donate. I'm confused that the .com site might not be for research.

 

[Magic Spanner]

Is there anyone out there who believes Armstrong? Let's here from you?

 

[kurtinsc]

On a side note, Lance twitted congratulations to Ekimov on his third Olympic gold medal. So if he thinks that Eki is going to inherit the 2004 Gold medal because of Tyler's admittance, then his yellow jerseys also have to be up for grabs when he is found guilty.

The olympics to date have reacted quite differently then the tour has to doping.

The tour has seemed to simply accept doping as long as there is no positive test during the event. There may be other reasons for their actions, but that SEEMS to be the result of the reasons... if you don't test positive IN THE TOUR you keep your win.

The Olympics... not so much. There have been tons of examples of them stripping medals long after the olympics are done even with no positive test.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

The boys are twisting in the wind,
"When contacted by VeloNews, RadioShack’s Levi Leipheimer said it was
the first he had heard of Hamilton’s allegations.
Asked if Hamilton was a credible source, he replied: “I’d have to
think about it. I like to give answers that are well thought out. I’m
not going to have a comment tonight.”
RadioShack physiologist Allen Lim said simply: “I don’t know how to
react.” ' Steve Frothingham

 

[WorldsGreatest]

Is there anyone out there who believes Armstrong? Let's here from you?

Not anyone with a brain. LANCE is a cheat, no doubt about it. 100%.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

I am aware of it not being admissible in court. However, I would like to see LANCE's response if they asked him to do one.

It might be more interesting if they asked him to agree to be waterboarded.

 

[thehog]

The olympics to date have reacted quite differently then the tour has to doping.

The tour has seemed to simply accept doping as long as there is no positive test during the event. There may be other reasons for their actions, but that SEEMS to be the result of the reasons... if you don't test positive IN THE TOUR you keep your win.

The Olympics... not so much. There have been tons of examples of them stripping medals long after the olympics are done even with no positive test.

Tyler has done a deal to keep the medal. Watch this space.