Tyler's Book

[Stingray34]

Quitter? Au contraire. One thing aobut Armstrong is he always takes the most likely outcome to success. In this case that means not allowing whatever evidence is available to come to light but rather to stall for the issue to be addressed in a different less biased court wherein his teams eyes the outcome might be more favorable. What I find puzzling is that everyone acts as if this is the final outcome. Armstrongs team is very experienced and if theres one thing we can be sure of it is that we can be sure the fight isnt over just yet. A possible scenario is that the UCI steps in questions th eban on prcedural gorunds of one sort or another then it goes to CAS And they offer that USADA overstepped its mandate. Im not rooting for that just offering that as a possible outcome as it is...Then Armstrong has a legal footing to sue USADA and Hamilton and Landis for defamation. He wouldnt go after Landis who is penniless but Tyler was undoubtedly given a nice fat advance which he would then have to turn around and burn up on legal defense. Youmight get to see Lance Versus tyler and his dog "(was it binky?) This is a temporary judgement offered by USADA and its not over til the UCI and CAS weighs in which I am sure their attorneys are working overtime trying to figure which end of the body to stick out the hole first...

I'd like to pinpoint the exact moment otherwise good people jettisoned their interest in right and wrong, guilt and innocence for plain, vulgar ol' winning and losing.

If it were always thus, we'd have no concept of good.

 

[Anonymous]

That needs to be a thread of its own!

Lance the quitter!

Geebus... There's a lot of material there.

We could start with him quitting high school.

 

[Benotti69]

Geebus... There's a lot of material there.

We could start with him quitting high school.

He also quit a few TdFs.

 

[Boeing]

He also quit a few TdFs.

He quit an Olympic road race

 

[Stingray34]

...and marriages, relationships and anti-doping programs.

Quitting kinda becomes him.

Lance the passive-aggressive.

 

[JPM London]

"Throughout my career I have quit more than 500 times and it's always been negative. I'm the most quitting athlete in the world!"

 

[ruamruam]

He quit the Tour of Ireland a number of years ago. Steep hill at the end he didn't feel like climbing,

Quitter

 

[sniper]

and he's gonna loose a couple of quid as well.

 

[mastersracer]

what this has to do with tylers book escapes me at the moment;-)

when there's no actual material to discuss, these threads go into facile analysis mode. LA's not going to arbitration isn't an indication of him being a quitter. It was the best strategic move he could make at that point and clearly a calculated move to fight the charges in the court of public opinion rather than one in which he'd have less control and would face overwhelming evidence.

 

[JPM London]

when there's no actual material to discuss, these threads go into facile analysis mode. LA's not going to arbitration isn't an indication of him being a quitter. It was the best strategic move he could make at that point and clearly a calculated move to fight the charges in the court of public opinion rather than one in which he'd have less control and would face overwhelming evidence.

Yeah - we need more leaks!

 

[JPM London]

No - he just used the eternal winner "I've never tested positive".

On second thoughts I think it wasn't Sandstoed, but another Danish rider of the late nineties - don't remember who though...

Now I remember - it was Lars Michaelsen (who said "I've never had any problems in that direction" when asked if he doped)...
Yup, the same Lars Michaelsen who's now a DS with - of all teams - RSNT.

 

[Stingray34]

Now I remember - it was Lars Michaelsen (who said "I've never had any problems in that direction" when asked if he doped)...
Yup, the same Lars Michaelsen who's now a DS with - of all teams - RSNT.

Cycling: wonderful activity; woeful sport.

funny how that works...

 

[ElChingon]

Quit being a classics rider, is that in the book?

 

[Kennf1]

Bonnie Ford's (ESPN) sneak preview. Nasty stuff.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...mstrong-teammate-friend-turns-banal-very-ugly

 

[Anonymous]

when there's no actual material to discuss, these threads go into facile analysis mode. LA's not going to arbitration isn't an indication of him being a quitter. It was the best strategic move he could make at that point and clearly a calculated move to fight the charges in the court of public opinion rather than one in which he'd have less control and would face overwhelming evidence.

LA's not going to arbitration isn't an indication of him being a quitter.

Sure it is. An innocent guy fights this with the truth as his absolute defense. Lance quit because the truth is not on his side. PR spin is all he has now. He'll quit that too (before long).

It was the best strategic move he could make at that point and clearly a calculated move to fight the charges in the court of public opinion

Yes. This is what the guilty do.

 

[JPM London]

Bonnie Ford's (ESPN) sneak preview. Nasty stuff.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...mstrong-teammate-friend-turns-banal-very-ugly

Wow... That botched transfusion sure sounds horrible!

 

[Benotti69]

Wow... That botched transfusion sure sounds horrible!

I think it is stuff like this that riders suffer that makes them angry when people question their performances are doped. Yes they train hard, but when they have to do stuff like and people start suggest it is the dope and not the riders well it can too much.

But Hamilton is an intelligent guy so has no excuses and i note is not looking for any sympathy, just aswell.

 

[thehog]

Wow... That botched transfusion sure sounds horrible!

Crickey!

--
Hamilton was shaky with a fever, suffering from a skull-cracking headache and urinating blood -- not a mere rosy tinge of it, but "dark, dark red, almost black'' blood.

He knew exactly why. "I'd transfused a bag full of dead blood cells,'' he writes in the matter-of-fact manner the rest of us might use to describe ingesting a bad oyster. "My body felt toxic ... I got my phone and set it next to me on the bed, in case I had to call for an ambulance.''

Instead, Hamilton took aspirin and drank water and said goodbye to his dog. The next day, he got back on his bike and rode a 100-mile flat stage. "That's the horrible, beautiful thing about bike racing,'' he writes. "You keep going.''

 

[mthead14]

Can anyone comment on why a guy would fill up on blood before a flat stage? Need a ruling, sounds a little strange.

 

[JPM London]

Can anyone comment on why a guy would fill up on blood before a flat stage? Need a ruling, sounds a little strange.

I think there could be several reasons:

Logistics - a stage being closer to where the blood is stored
Lag of effect - if it takes a day before the effect really kicks in - indeed if you're actually weaker the first day - then it makes sense to do it earlier.

 

[mastersracer]

I think there could be several reasons:

Logistics - a stage being closer to where the blood is stored
Lag of effect - if it takes a day before the effect really kicks in - indeed if you're actually weaker the first day - then it makes sense to do it earlier.

he transfused on a rest day - standard.

 

[JPM London]

Cycling: wonderful activity; woeful sport.

funny how that works...

I did think he had something to say about The Case - just couldn't find it.
He's got a loooong future in the sport - no doubt about it...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-mixed-reactions-at-usa-pro-challenge

RadioShack-Nissan assistant team director Lars Michaelson said he agreed with Armstrong's decision to surrender to USADA, and that he hoped the anti-doping agency would focus on the future.

“Speaking for myself, I think what Lance is doing was a good choice,” Michaelson said. “I think for the point USADA is making, they should focus on what's happening today and try to state some example of what testing they are capable of doing today instead of going back in time and spoiling a champion.”

Michaelson also questioned why USADA appeared so Hell-bent on pursuing Armstrong.

“Why? Tell me why? Give me one good reason why?” Michaelson asked. “They should have a heads up of what's happening today, that they are on top of things today. That's what they should show.”

 

[Benotti69]

Can anyone comment on why a guy would fill up on blood before a flat stage? Need a ruling, sounds a little strange.

I remember David Walsh talking about how Hamiltons body couldn't last a GT, he couldn't recover well after racing every day. So he may have had to do more transfusions than others.

http://competitorradio.competitor.com/tag/david-walsh/

 

[Benotti69]

I did think he had something to say about The Case - just couldn't find it.
He's got a loooong future in the sport - no doubt about it...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-mixed-reactions-at-usa-pro-challenge

RadioShack-Nissan assistant team director Lars Michaelson said he agreed with Armstrong's decision to surrender to USADA, and that he hoped the anti-doping agency would focus on the future.

“Speaking for myself, I think what Lance is doing was a good choice,” Michaelson said. “I think for the point USADA is making, they should focus on what's happening today and try to state some example of what testing they are capable of doing today instead of going back in time and spoiling a champion.”

Michaelson also questioned why USADA appeared so Hell-bent on pursuing Armstrong.

“Why? Tell me why? Give me one good reason why?” Michaelson asked. “They should have a heads up of what's happening today, that they are on top of things today. That's what they should show.”

I think going after Armstrong shows that they exactly know what is going on today.

 

[Anonymous]

I think going after Armstrong shows that they exactly know what is going on today.

This.

Lars is probably smart enough to realize there's a concerted effort to rid the sport of the dopers, users, pushers, complicit DS's and doctors... which has the possibility of threatening his future.