Tyler's Book

[Racelap]

The book is the Rosetta Stone of doping in pro cycling.

So many events, incidents, comments, race results, interviews, etc, now fit together. From this year's grand tours and the Olympics going all the way back to before 1999. The puzzle fits together now.

Look at threads regarding Froome, Wiggins, and Sky. Armstrong and USADA. Armstrong at the 2009 and 2010 TdF - specifically the shower incident with the doping control. Johan. Landis. Mike Anderson. Frank and Betsy. Levi. Hincapie. USADA. Frank Schleck's positive and his $7,000 payment to Fuentes. The blood passport. The UCI. Contador. This book de-mystifies it all.

 

[MarkvW]

No, no it wasn't. It was a planted statement by someone who refuses to reveal what is patently obvious to anyone who has read your posts.

What do you think about the qui tam now?

 

[DirtyWorks]

... Tyler describes how he and his girlfriend/wife began to experience strange popping and clicking noises on their phones, how they began to experience weird popups on their computers (some of which were to sites dealing with LA or his foundation), ... how text messages they would send either didn't get through to the intended recipient or would mysteriously be sent two times instead of once.

To the above, this is not the stuff of surveillance. Tapping someone's phone is a straight-up Federal offense. Does it happen? Probably. Pop-ups in an Internet browser as surveillance? No way.

Did surveillance happen in this case? I Don't know. But those things do not support the idea.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

What do you think about the qui tam now?

I don't know enough about qui tam cases to really respond. I would like to say that I will look into it, but we were off this week because of the DNC, and I put off some other reading that is starting to give me that "I need to get started reading that sh*t yesterday" feeling. I was able to read Tyler's book this week in between doing some stuff downtown at the convention (got to meet Vermin Supreme several times...that guy stinks) and some other projects, but that ends most of my participation here and anywhere else until Christmas. I'll try to read here some, so if you have any information/opinion, I would certainly like to read it.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

The book is the Rosetta Stone of doping in pro cycling.

So many events, incidents, comments, race results, interviews, etc, now fit together. From this year's grand tours and the Olympics going all the way back to before 1999. The puzzle fits together now.

Look at threads regarding Froome, Wiggins, and Sky. Armstrong and USADA. Armstrong at the 2009 and 2010 TdF - specifically the shower incident with the doping control. Johan. Landis. Mike Anderson. Frank and Betsy. Levi. Hincapie. USADA. Frank Schleck's positive and his $7,000 payment to Fuentes. The blood passport. The UCI. Contador. This book de-mystifies it all.

Excellent observation!

 

[MarkvW]

I don't know enough about qui tam cases to really respond. I would like to say that I will look into it, but we were off this week because of the DNC, and I put off some other reading that is starting to give me that "I need to get started reading that sh*t yesterday" feeling. I was able to read Tyler's book this week in between doing some stuff downtown at the convention (got to meet Vermin Supreme several times...that guy stinks) and some other projects, but that ends most of my participation here and anywhere else until Christmas. I'll try to read here some, so if you have any information/opinion, I would certainly like to read it.

Heard the book said that the feds joined the case. That would be big, seems to me.

 

[the big ring]

Oh. The. Irony.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...840e-f928-11e1-a93b-7185e3f88849_story_1.html

“There is absolutely no remorse in the whole book about what he did and what’s done for the sport in all of that time,” McQuaid said of Hamilton after having read extracts of the book. “That doesn’t impress me.

“And then I wonder what’s the objective of him coming clean. He says it’s a weight off his shoulders ... but by the same token he has to accept and recognize the damage he did to the sport and the damage he continues to do to the sport.”

Asked if Hamilton’s evidence is tainted, McQuaid replied: “I think so ... when people time the arrival of books to meet certain situations I question what their real motivations are. Is it to make money?”

Can anyone attest to remorse in the book? Has it even been released in Switzerland yet?

 

[BroDeal]

Oh. The. Irony.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...840e-f928-11e1-a93b-7185e3f88849_story_1.html


Can anyone attest to remorse in the book? Has it even been released in Switzerland yet?

The real question is whether it has been translated into drunken slur yet.

 

[thehog]

The book is the Rosetta Stone of doping in pro cycling.

So many events, incidents, comments, race results, interviews, etc, now fit together. From this year's grand tours and the Olympics going all the way back to before 1999. The puzzle fits together now.

Look at threads regarding Froome, Wiggins, and Sky. Armstrong and USADA. Armstrong at the 2009 and 2010 TdF - specifically the shower incident with the doping control. Johan. Landis. Mike Anderson. Frank and Betsy. Levi. Hincapie. USADA. Frank Schleck's positive and his $7,000 payment to Fuentes. The blood passport. The UCI. Contador. This book de-mystifies it all.

I had the same observation. Once Tyler filled in the gaps on Ferrari I'm now certain Wiggins is working with him. The Tenerife connection nailed it but the "you must be skinny Tyler, skinny, skinny" confirmed the connection for me.

I loved that passage on Ferrari on the EPO test. In 5 minutes he worked out how to beat it. It's not just the dosage but the way you inject it straight into the bloodstream rather than muscle fat. Genius.

 

[Fatclimber]

I like the story when Tyler won on Ventoux at the Dauphine. Lance and Tyler are back in the bus and Lance is giving Tyler the silent treatment.

Bruyneel bounds into the bus from the teamcar and gives Lance a hug and says "Don't worry Lance, there's still 3 weeks to the Tour, you'll get them there"

Bruyneel then follows up with "So who won the stage?"

Tyler says "I did!"

Followed by awkward silence.

Just to clarify, although not sure if it's necessary, Tyler said nothing. Lance pointed his finger to Tyler after the question was asked without either of them saying a word.

 

[hfer07]

Oh. The. Irony.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...840e-f928-11e1-a93b-7185e3f88849_story_1.html


Can anyone attest to remorse in the book? Has it even been released in Switzerland yet?

the real question here is: Does McQuaid know how to read?

 

[Zweistein]

To the above, this is not the stuff of surveillance. Tapping someone's phone is a straight-up Federal offense. Does it happen? Probably. Pop-ups in an Internet browser as surveillance? No way.

Did surveillance happen in this case? I Don't know. But those things do not support the idea.

Infecting a computer to gain control and throw up pop ups isn't that hard. God, it has happened to me a few times and I have had my email compromised as well.

 

[jilbiker]

The book is the Rosetta Stone of doping in pro cycling.

So many events, incidents, comments, race results, interviews, etc, now fit together. From this year's grand tours and the Olympics going all the way back to before 1999. The puzzle fits together now.

Look at threads regarding Froome, Wiggins, and Sky. Armstrong and USADA. Armstrong at the 2009 and 2010 TdF - specifically the shower incident with the doping control. Johan. Landis. Mike Anderson. Frank and Betsy. Levi. Hincapie. USADA. Frank Schleck's positive and his $7,000 payment to Fuentes. The blood passport. The UCI. Contador. This book de-mystifies it all.

It also de-bunks the myth about Johan. That he was a masterful tactician, the Director of the century. He was a master organizer of a illegal enterprise. All the results we saw under Johan were chemically engineered and induced, you did not need a smart mind to win, no, you simply needed to be smart Director of a fake reality show.

 

[Merckx index]

Oh. The. Irony.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...840e-f928-11e1-a93b-7185e3f88849_story_1.html


Can anyone attest to remorse in the book? Has it even been released in Switzerland yet?

Yes, there is remorse.

Two things shine out for me, and give the book its power:

1) the detailed descriptions of doping. Tyler really lays it out, tells the reader exactly how it was done, and with the vivid descriptions of when, where, with who, etc., you'd have to be beyond skeptical to think all of this could be made up. And all of this is just presented, neither as good nor evil, really, but in a way that let readers make their own judgments.

If McQ actually read the book, this might be what he means when he says TH shows no remorse. He does not constantly say that doping is evil. He makes it seem like an ordinary part of racing, which of course is exactly what it has been. This makes the story much more powerful, not letting his judgments get in the way of a clear-eyed view of what happened. Readers don't need to be told that doping has severely damaged the sport, or that Tyler feels enormous remorse for his part in it. These conclusions drip from every page, and frankly, only an idiot, it seems to me, would fail to see that.

2) the remarkably even-handed description of LA. Tyler describes both his strengths and flaws, and never comes across as hating him or obsessed with him in any way. A lot of the book is about LA, as indeed it should be given how important a role LA played in Tyler's life, but Tyler never goes beyond just recounting what happened, never goes off on a rant. Indeed, one could almost think Tyler is still intimidated by a guy he should have every right to loathe. Either that, or he has a remarkable power of forgiveness.

I had hoped the book would solve the mystery of the HBT positive, but it doesn't. A footnote says that Ashenden speculated that during the process of freezing RBCs, they might have become contaminated with someone else's blood. Given that Fuentes had so many clients, I can imagine that could happen. This is also consistent with the fact that the actual test data indicated a very minor contamination, not the larger amount that would occur with a month or so following a transfusion. But Tyler had two positives--the Olympics and the Vuelta--and they involved different minor antigens, i.e., different blood samples. So there would have to be two slip-ups, not one.

 

[MacRoadie]

Infecting a computer to gain control and throw up pop ups isn't that hard. God, it has happened to me a few times and I have had my email compromised as well.

I think I read about that...they call it "hacking" or something...

 

[the big ring]

Yes, there is remorse.
.

Appreciate the response, the book is some time away for me.

Does Tyler specifically show remorse through anything he says - an epilogue or something? Or is it only through implication as you said?

Just curious to clarify. I doubt McQuaid has even read it yet.

 

[PosterBill]

I had hoped the book would solve the mystery of the HBT positive, but it doesn't. A footnote says that Ashenden speculated that during the process of freezing RBCs, they might have become contaminated with someone else's blood. Given that Fuentes had so many clients, I can imagine that could happen. This is also consistent with the fact that the actual test data indicated a very minor contamination, not the larger amount that would occur with a month or so following a transfusion. But Tyler had two positives--the Olympics and the Vuelta--and they involved different minor antigens, i.e., different blood samples. So there would have to be two slip-ups, not one.

Towards the end of the program Tyler mentions "siberia" and that they now had the ability to start stock piling blood bags. Makes a lot of sense that you could have multiple screw ups this way

 

[BroDeal]

It also de-bunks the myth about Johan. That he was a masterful tactician, the Director of the century. He was a master organizer of a illegal enterprise. All the results we saw under Johan were chemically engineered and induced, you did not need a smart mind to win, no, you simply needed to be smart Director of a fake reality show.

I have always thought this. He got mad credit for winning the Tours but he had the most dominating doper. The GTs are so long that, barring disaster, the strongest rider should win in the end. His record for the classics, which require real race savvy, is miserable.

 

[erader]

 

[ggusta]

Geez, guys, what the heck is enough?

 

[Bosco10]

Geez, guys, what the heck is enough?

lol.. I take it Lance Edward Armstrong is not well liked in these parts.

 

[luckyboy]

Only about 60 pages in so far. I'm finding it pretty creepy how Celaya talks to him when he starts doping.

The way Tyler describes EPO makes it sound pretty great

 

[VeloGirl]

So, I just read all of the reviews on Amazon - overwhelming good reviews.

However, there is this creepy guy commenting on EVERY single review stating he thinks all the reviews are fake because people posted them on 5 Sept and 6 Sept.
He is asking every reviewer if they are financially tied to Hamilton or if they have an axe to grind with Armstrong.

He calls Hamilton a "sociopath" and admits he has not read the book.

s

 

[Fatclimber]

Appreciate the response, the book is some time away for me.

Does Tyler specifically show remorse through anything he says - an epilogue or something? Or is it only through implication as you said?

Just curious to clarify. I doubt McQuaid has even read it yet.

You know what? He really didn't, at least not that I can remember. Aside from MI's "implied remorse." It does have a rather melancholy feel to it. As others have said, it really is a one-sitting book. Very easy to blast through, at least for a cycling fan. Maybe I missed his remorse because of that. It makes me want to dig through it a little bit in an attempt to find it, but I don't think the purpose of the book was to express any remorse.

And since when is McA**hole any kind of expert on remorse?

 

[ManInFull]

I just finished it. His story is compelling and it's well worth the read. There should be little doubt that Armstrong was a willing participant in doping.