Tyler's Book

[TubularBills]

In the book Tyler supposes that LA & his teams were two years ahead in doping?

Could it be simply the result of 'glowing' throughout the events.

If you a.) know you won't be tested and b.) are pre-warned of tests...

You could just run a percentage hotter than the rest?

50+

?

~ Sir Sestrieres

 

[Lones1]

I bought it as an eBook - I have a Sony eReader - from Angus & Robertson. I am guessing they have it hard copy too.

I brought my hard copy in Melbourne. Just walked into a book store in the city and asked. Awesome read....

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I brought my hard copy in Melbourne. Just walked into a book store in the city and asked. Awesome read....

The don't let me out very often.

 

[Lones1]

The don't let me out very often.

There might be a good reason for that......???

 

[Microchip]

Now's a good time for the parents of the little boy Tyler describes as meeting (at the end of the book). They named the boy Lance. Oh dear!

 

[babastooey]

The thing that really amazed me was the season Tyler had in 2004, with the blood transfusions courtesy of Fuentes. He really was so focused on the task at hand that he didn't realize that he was placing his life in the hands of someone who was really haphazard when it came to keeping track of whose blood was whose. When Fuentes was caught, he had blood bags from dozens of different riders, any of their blood could have been injected into Tyler by mistake, and the poor guy could have wound up dead from whatever sketchy thing was going on. No one wanted to stop the insanity. I'm suprised more people didn't die. Tyler didn't spend too much time reflecting on how close he could have come to death. It is probably something he thinks about, but I am amazed that someone can be so consumed by a career that they neglect to think about the potentially life changing hazards.

It makes me think a little of the Penn State thing. No one wanted to blow the whistle because no one wanted to kill the golden goose -- the popularity and money making machine known as a major college football program. No one wanted to ruin the reputation of some old man who was just a head football coach. No one wanted to stop the insanity. In the process, many lives were ruined. In my opinion, the school would have been better off if they just shut down the football program.

People talk about Lance escaping for a time from testing positive because he ran a better program than anyone else. Heck, he escaped death because he ran a better program than anyone else. Did Lance's operation switch bags, or not handle bags properly? Did anyone die from Lance's operation? It is more than just doping in a sport, it is about placing your life in the hands of some hack doctor and his shoddy operation. Yikes.

Let's think more about the real risks. Loss of a career is sad, loss of life is tragic.

 

[thehog]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...-that-Danish-team-owner-ever-met-Fuentes.aspx

“Riis knew all about what I was doing with Fuentes. He wanted to know everything. And it was he who introduced me to Eufemiano Fuentes and gave me the contact information for him,” he told Dr.dk.

As regards the claim that Riis never encountered the Spanish doctor, Hamilton is insistent that his version is the correct one. “They HAVE met,” he said, with emphasis. “I remember an episode from 2002 - I think it was in April - when Fuentes and Bjarne were in the same hotel room in Spain. I can still remember what the hotel looks like. Bjarne wanted to meet him, but afterwards Fuentes was a bit angry that Bjarne came with me. I think that Fuentes wanted to keep it as private as possible.”

The now-retired American rider was one of eleven sworn witnesses from the former US Postal Service squad who told the US Anti-Doping Agency about systematic doping on the team. Hamilton said that he started using banned substances there, then later went on to use blood transfusions while with CSC.

“The reason Bjarne gave me the information about Fuentes was so I could start with blood doping,” he claimed. “It was not for EPO or anything else. Fuentes could also obtain EPO and testosterone, but the big challenge was to manage the transfusions, take blood out, keep it safe and get it transported from A to B.”

 

[webvan]

Riis is a big fat liar and cheater who needs to get kicked out of cycling ASAP.

 

[The Gnome]

If you read Riis's book, it is pretty clear he is a top down manager and a control freak...he talks on and on about wanting his riders to do various flighty therapies at his insistence...likewise, he makes it a hallmark of his style that everyone be open and honest about everything going on with his riders...it is laughable to believe he wasn't fully involved in the doping schemes when Tyler was on his team...

 

[RHRH19861986]

..it is laughable to believe he wasn't fully involved in the doping schemes when Tyler was on his team...

Correct.

I remember Riis claimed he didn´t know Basso worked with Fuentes. The same Bjarne Riis who even paced trainings sessions of Basso on his motor scooter in Tuscany in April 2006.

 

[neineinei]

Front cover of the Danish edition of the book, "Det hemmelige løb", which was published yesterday. Hamilton has been in Denmark giving interviews the last few days.

http://www.sporten.dk/cykling/hamiltons-historie-mit-samarbejde-med-riis

Riis asked Hamilton about details of his doping with US Postal already at their first meeting in 2002. Riis gave Hamilton the phone number to Fuentes at the same meeting.

Hamilton says that the team doctors must have known that he was doping. They assisted him with getting his htc below 50 for tests. They also gave the whole team cortisone TUEs. (Jakob Piil denies this. As does Dr. Joost de Maeseneer.)

Dr. Joost de Maeseneer is leaving SaxoBankTinkoffBank, not because of Hamiltons accusations, but because they didn't want to hire a fourth doctor, and because he needed to stretch his legs. He'd been with the team since the start. He had offers from ten teams, and chose to go to Astana. "They have a good anti-doping policy."

http://www.sporten.dk/cykling/riis-trofaste-laege-forlader-holdet

Prior to joining Team Home Jack & Jones and Riis, Dr. de Maeseneer worked for TVM. Jesper Skibby vouches for his innocence.

 

[neineinei]

Hamilton says Michael Rasmussen was dropped by CSC after the 2002 season because his hematocrit levels were too high. Rasmussen denies this and says that the reason for changing teams was that the Rabobank contract was better. Former CSC director of sport, Alex Pedersen, says Rasmussen was dropped by CSC.

The original interview was printed in Jyllands-Posten, but it doesn't seem to be online (yet).

sporten.dk: Hamilton: Kyllingen for farlig for CSC

 

[coinneach]

Front cover of the Danish edition of the book, "Det hemmelige løb", which was published yesterday. Hamilton has been in Denmark giving interviews the last few days.



Hamilton says that the team doctors must have known that he was doping. They assisted him with getting his htc below 50 for tests. They also gave the whole team cortisone TUEs. (Jakob Piil denies this. As does Dr. Joost de Maeseneer.)

Dr. Joost de Maeseneer is leaving SaxoBankTinkoffBank, not because of Hamiltons accusations, but because they didn't want to hire a fourth doctor, and because he needed to stretch his legs. He'd been with the team since the start. He had offers from ten teams, and chose to go to Astana. "They have a good anti-doping policy."


Cycling's really cleaned up its act then, hasn't it?

 

[airstream]

It seems to me Tyler might easily recall stuff for Secret Race part II

 

[hrotha]

Well, none of this is new: Hamilton had already mentioned it all either in his book or in subsequent interviews. It's just that he's promoting the Danish edition now, so naturally he gets asked about stuff that pertains to CSC/Saxo and it's in the news again.

 

[Le Baroudeur]

Hamilton says Michael Rasmussen was dropped by CSC after the 2002 season because his hematocrit levels were too high. Rasmussen denies this and says that the reason for changing teams was that the Rabobank contract was better. Former CSC director of sport, Alex Pedersen, says Rasmussen was dropped by CSC.

The original interview was printed in Jyllands-Posten, but it doesn't seem to be online (yet).

sporten.dk: Hamilton: Kyllingen for farlig for CSC

So the riders are politely asked to leave when the team thinks they have suspicious values?

But Tyler is special right?

 

[Adamastor]

Hamilton on Frank Schleck

http://www.wort.lu/en/view/hamilton...8-doping-allegations-509b83c0e4b0a924257f713f

Hamilton revives Fränk Schleck 2008 doping allegations


(CS/mz) American cyclist Tyler Hamilton has attacked Fränk Schleck, saying that he assumes the Luxembourg cyclist discussed doping programmes with Dr Eufemiano Fuentes.

After raising doping allegations against Jens Voigt and Bjarne Riis, Hamilton questioned Schleck's statements about a 7,000 euro payment to Fuentes, who stood at the heart of the Operación Puerto doping case.

In 2008 German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung uncovered evidence of a link between Schleck and Fuentes. While Schleck was temporarily suspended by his team CSC Saxo Bank in October that year, the Luxembourg doping authorities cleared Schleck of all charges for lack of evidence.

While Schleck claims he transferred the money in 2006 to finance a specific training regime, according to Danish media dr.dk, Hamilton said: “I assume that Fränk Schleck did exactly the same thing with Dr Fuentes as me, which is speaking about doping programmes.” However, the cyclist did not produce any evidence to support this claim.

“It doesn't make any sense”

Hamilton collaborated with Fuentes between 2002 and 2003. “He never created a training programme for me or advised me in that area, and I don't think he would have been able to,” Hamilton continued. The US cyclist is assumed to have been quite close to Fuentes at the time, spending time with him during blood transfusions.

 

[webvan]

What, Voigt is not squeaky clean?!

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Or a Shleckie?

Where's my pony...

 

[D-Queued]

More from Tyler:

“a conservative guess is that 80 percent” of the Tour de France riders doped

Dave.

 

[blackcat]

More from Tyler:

“a conservative guess is that 80 percent” of the Tour de France riders doped

Dave.

and he change is?

 

[D-Queued]

and (t)he change is?

This is in marked contrast to Hein & Pat stating one to two percent.

The quote is also relevant to the thread on 'What constitutes proof that a cyclist/team are doping?' and the many previous threads on 'They all dope'.

Personally, I find it fascinating that a qualified authority believes that 20% did not dope. Who are they?

Certainly not Benoit or Freiere based on their recent comments.

Dave.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

This is in marked contrast to Hein & Pat stating one to two percent.

The quote is also relevant to the thread on 'What constitutes proof that a cyclist/team are doping?' and the many previous threads on 'They all dope'.

Personally, I find it fascinating that a qualified authority believes that 20% did not dope. Who are they?

Certainly not Benoit or Freiere based on their recent comments.

Dave.

That's not what he said. He said his conservative guess is that 80% dope. That means AT MOST 20% are clean. The statement doesn't preclude the likelihood that fewer are clean, or even the possibility that NONE are clean.

 

[42x16ss]

This is in marked contrast to Hein & Pat stating one to two percent.

The quote is also relevant to the thread on 'What constitutes proof that a cyclist/team are doping?' and the many previous threads on 'They all dope'.

Personally, I find it fascinating that a qualified authority believes that 20% did not dope. Who are they?

Certainly not Benoit or Freiere based on their recent comments.

Dave.

Reread the statement

As to who they are? They are most likely the anonymous pack fillers who carry water bottles and musettes, shield and guide their team leader in the pack and disappear when the hammer is dropped in the mountains. They won't be the climbing doms or the strongmen pulling the pack for 30-40 kms at a time.

Now, with the UCI's stupid points system there is even less space for guys like this in the pro peleton, no matter how good they are as shown by guys like Joost Posthuma no longer getting contracts. This is another UCI move that can subtly encourage riders to dope. Become strong enough to be a leader on your team or GTFO

 

[rata de sentina]

While Schleck claims he transferred the money in 2006 to finance a specific training regime, according to Danish media dr.dk, Hamilton said: “I assume that Fränk Schleck did exactly the same thing with Dr Fuentes as me, which is speaking about doping programmes.” However, the cyclist did not produce any evidence to support this claim.

“It doesn't make any sense”

Of course Hamilton is correct it doesn't make sense. We know from various information sources that not everyone who worked with Ferrari was getting doping advice. Ferrari was a sports Dr first after all and he has a CV in the field. Of course working with Ferrari is very suss but still not beyond the realms of possibility.

In contrast, Fuentes is all about doping, no evidence for a genuine sports medicine background at all.