UCI appeals Contador decision

[MrRoboto]

AC must be one of the more arrogant guys out there. While all his teammates were taken out of competition due to OP, AC somehow managed to escape prosecution. He subsequently must have felt he's the ONE.

Who on Liberty Seguros didn't escape Puerto? Jörg Jaksche and Scarponi? Allan Davis and Paulinho even took the same route as Contador after the team was disbanded.

 

[sniper]

From last year at the Tour:

Yet again today, Contador thanked his teammates for a great performance. “The team has done an extraordinary job. Dani (Navarro) and Paolo (Tiralongo) were were brilliant in the mountains."

ok, so he took lance's advice.
this year at the giro he is also busy making friends.
i never said he is stupid. he isn't. he needs friends now more than ever.

 

[Benotti69]

Perhaps the jealousy and greed evolved over time, as LA realized the Contador had more natural talent. and the ability to quickly threaten his record. Sounded to me like Bruyneel chose his successor and only Astana was able to pay his salary.


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The thing i cant figure with Contador is who is he doping with? We know what LA and Bruyneel did to Lands, by pouring his bloodbag down the sink when they found out he signed a contract with Phonak, why did they not take away Contador's supply in TdF 2009? They did not have access to it, so who is he working with?

 

[MrRoboto]

Well, he wasn't as good in 2010 as he was earlier, was he? Even got sloppy and got cought. Maybe that's the result of going from Bruyneel's special mix to Vino's sauce (Or some other spanish home brew).

 

[ManInFull]

ok, so he took lance's advice.
this year at the giro he is also busy making friends.
i never said he is stupid. he isn't. he needs friends now more than ever.

He took Lance's advice? Come on, that's outrageous. Did Lance also teach him how to win Grand Tour's at a much earlier age than Lance did?

 

[sniper]

He look Lance's advice? Come on, that's outrageous. Did Lance also teach him how to win Grand Tour's at a much earlier age than Lance did?

I see parallels between Contador and Nadal. And I'm not talking about both being doped to the gills or both being Spanish. No, I'm talking about both starting out as irritating little brads, arrogant, no respect for the opponent, and then, slowly but surely, learning why it so important to also have friends.
So suddenly they're out there playing mister nice guy, although traces of their arrogant original self still shine through when they race or compete.

 

[ManInFull]

Riis is a disgrace to the sport, he should be banned for life.

Why? Because he admitted what others have been unwilling to admit?

 

[Lanark]

Why? Because he admitted what others have been unwilling to admit?

Or because he discussed ways to avoid testing positive for EPO with Jaksche, and brought Fränk Schleck in contact with Fuentes?

 

[hrotha]

Who on Liberty Seguros didn't escape Puerto? Jörg Jaksche and Scarponi? Allan Davis and Paulinho even took the same route as Contador after the team was disbanded.

The young guns (Contador, Luis León Sánchez, Barredo, Davis, Rojas, Navarro...) were mysteriously spared, numbered pages in the official dossier disappearing and all, while the veterans (Beloki, Etxebarría, Jaksche, Vicioso, Serrano...) were ostracized and the Italians (Caruso, Scarponi) were burned at the stake.

 

[sniper]

has it already been mentioned that the WADA will use the plasticizer evidence against AC?
I read it today in the Sueddeutsche Zeitung, though it's still only hear-say (they heard it from "people directly related to the case").
they say it's the main reason for the delay.

 

[ManInFull]

has it already been mentioned that the WADA will use the plasticizer evidence against AC?
I read it today in the Sueddeutsche Zeitung, though it's still only hear-say (they heard it from "people directly related to the case").
they say it's the main reason for the delay.

If that's true, you would think that he would take his ban and get it over with. I think he's going to be banned regardless--he's just postponing it and ensuring that more of his victories and wiped from the record book.

 

[python]

has it already been mentioned that the WADA will use the plasticizer evidence against AC?
I read it today in the Sueddeutsche Zeitung, though it's still only hear-say (they heard it from "people directly related to the case").
they say it's the main reason for the delay.

there's nothing in the online edition of sz. nor any spanish electronic sources mentioned this.

if the plasticizer evidence was indeed brought forward, we should hear from seppert soon..

 

[sniper]

there's nothing in the online edition of sz. nor any spanish electronic sources mentioned this.

if the plasticizer evidence was indeed brought forward, we should hear from seppert soon..

it was in the paper edition. the online version of the article is locked, for members only.
I checked it again today: it literally says: "dem vernehmnen nach", which means as much as "the rumor has it that..".
in other words, the rumor has it that the WADA will use the plasticizer evidence.
so it's still only hear-say.
it would make sense though, if you ask me, in light of previous statements by howman about it.

 

[Merckx index]

it was in the paper edition. the online version of the article is locked, for members only.
I checked it again today: it literally says: "dem vernehmnen nach", which means as much as "the rumor has it that..".
in other words, the rumor has it that the WADA will use the plasticizer evidence.
so it's still only hear-say.
it would make sense though, if you ask me, in light of previous statements by howman about it.

In a later edition, they said the source of this rumor was the Clinic

There are some things suggesting it, of course:

a) Howman's previous statements
b) two different but coordinated appeals by UCI and WADA
c) the delay in the case, which could be because Bert's team has to address this new charge

If they really are going to bring this up, then the delay is totally understandable IMO. This is new territory and both sides deserve a lot of time to get it right. I would rather see Bert ride and even maybe win the TDF before the decision is announced than have the case rushed through just so an announcement can be made pre-Tour.

This is not just about Bert, of course. Any ruling on DEHP will set a precedent. Even if riders can avoid this problem now that they know about it, it could affect stored samples, maybe impact the Novitzky investigation. Love to see LA's reaction if Bert gets suspended in large part on the basis of this evidence.

CN says CAS will meet in early August, right after the Tour:

The Court of Arbitration for Sport has set the dates for the hearing of the UCI and WADA v. Alberto Contador appeal for August 1-3.

So I imagine a decision would be in before the end of August. So if Bert had any designs on skipping the TDF but riding the Vuelta, that would probably be off. The decision would probably be announced during the Vuelta.

And UCI answered a question I had about whether this year's results could stand:

"[The] UCI asked [that] all his results between the day of the control and the first day of the suspension to be disqualified (according art 10.8 of WADA code and art 313 of UCI antidoping rules). Obviously CAS could take a different decision, which we would accept without any problem," said UCI spokesman Enrico Carpani.

If that actually happens, would he still be suspended for two years (less the five months or so that he was suspended last year and earlier this year? If so, he's really hurting himself by riding now. He would lose two maybe three GT titles, plus at least next year.

Or maybe not? If he had stayed suspended last year, he would have missed this year and 2012, assuming two years. He would have been ready to ride again in Sept 2012, when the season was over. Whereas if he gets two years now, less the five months served, he would be ready in late March or so in 2013, so would not effectively lose much more.

hahaha, love this quote from Cuddles:

''In our job we get paid more when we go faster but [with] lawyers, it seems to be the other way round."

 

[luckyboy]

Has the plasticizer test actually been validated yet?

I wonder if everyone else's samples will be retested for them.

And I can't see the ban being two years unless they get him on plasticizers/blood doping.

 

[python]

Has the plasticizer test actually been validated yet?

nothing official has been released. this means (most likely, considering the previous information) 'no' but tbh we don't know. and even if it had been validated, we have no official info the test (except the uci firm statement - they wont pursue it) the plasticizer tests was applied specifically to contador. assuming it had ( and that's a big assumption), the results of the plasticizer test are liable to vigorous challenge. i would even venture to pass an opinion i passed earlier - the dehp test on contador (if ever confirmed) will have a limited legal weight at the time of that hearing.

 

[lurveleven]

the cow from where the steak came from must have eaten some plastic?

would assume the dopers stopped using plastic bags as soon as the news broke that it was detectable no? glass or metal now?

 

[webvan]

So it will be August then, what a flying mess, shameful http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-cas-hearing-set-for-august

 

[auscyclefan94]

Meh, what a joke. Contador must have some shifty lawyers like Valverde. This whole season has been a joke with AC competing.

 

[webvan]

If the TD have any balls, like when Patrice Clerc was still there, they should tell him to get lost. "Tested positive last year, your lawyers asked for a postponement at the 11th hour, you're out."

 

[Walkman]

Meh, what a joke. Contador must have some shifty lawyers like Valverde. This whole season has been a joke with AC competing.

If the TD have any balls, like when Patrice Clerc was still there, they should tell him to get lost. "Tested positive last year, your lawyers asked for a postponement at the 11th hour, you're out."

Well spoken, both of you.

The thing that bugs me is that he was "cleared " without submitting a hair test to prove he hasn't used clen during a longer period. That is totally INSANE and would ONLY happen in Spain since the are totally corrupt and incapable of execute proper anti-doping work. ASO should muster up some balls and make it very clear that they don't want him there.

It was his lawyer who had the hearing postponed, right?

 

[Andynonomous]

Yup.

It was his laywer's who had the hearing postphoned, right?

I think so.

 

[Walkman]

I think so.

Ops

Well, then it's a pretty easy case. No ban, no Tour.

 

[ElChingon]

A rider should be allowed to postpone their cases to gather more data. Such an extension should be allowed only if the rider is going to stop racing to help gather that data, after all its data about themselves not somebody else. I mean they want to present a solid case so all efforts should be placed on the case, right?

 

[Walkman]

A rider should be allowed to postpone their cases to gather more data. Such an extension should be allowed only if the rider is going to stop racing to help gather that data, after all its data about themselves not somebody else. I mean they want to present a solid case so all efforts should be placed on the case, right?

Agreed. (I had to write something more in order to post)