UCI helped Froome with illegal(?) TUE at Romandie

[Dazed and Confused]

Thanks, interesting read.

for years there have been various combos that can cause weight loss while maintaining muscle. Ullrich used a combo of Test, Thyroid medicine, and Clen. Contador used Clen and test. Landis tried Clen but it kept him up for 3 days and he stopped. I wonder if they are using some kind of anabolic complement to maintain power?

I have heard they are using kenacort, strong stuff. While a rider can use Coritsone OOC without a TUE Kenacort is injected. That is against the rules.

Rasmussen used some diabetes medicine to help keep the weight under control.
He was a Leinders "customer".

 

[Race Radio]

Rasmussen used some diabetes medicine to help keep the weight under control.
He was a Leinders "customer".

yes, IGF-1 was pretty popular. I think it is rather easy to trace these days but still being used.

 

[Alpe73]

I do love the way The Hog ignores all of the posts about 40mg being a normal dose, and claiming that these are Horse / Cow steroids. Yes Prednisolone is used in animals, but so is a lot more. The fact is its approved for human use but, hey, lets not let some medical facts get in the way.

Hog - I do like your posts, but these last few days you have been pushing the envelope with some of them. Ignoring facts and speculating to the extreme.

Yep ... that is a valid observation.

 

[Race Radio]

t these last few days you have been pushing the envelope with some of them. Ignoring facts and speculating to the extreme.

Last few days?

 

[Granville57]

I have heard they are using kenacort, strong stuff. While a rider can use Coritsone OOC without a TUE Kenacort is injected. That is against the rules.

I'm not sure why Kenacort grabbed my attention, but I think someone I know was on it recently (I just can't remember who or why at the moment).

But after a very cursory investigation, I came up with this:

Kenacort - General Information:

A glucocorticoid given, as the free alcohol or in esterified form, orally, intramuscularly, by local injection, by inhalation 😱, or applied topically in the management of various disorders in which corticosteroids are indicated.

Patients should use Azmacort Inhalation Aerosol at regular intervals as directed. Results of clinical trials indicate that significant improvement in asthma may occur by 1 week
http://www.flexyx.com/K/Kenacort.html

This:

Active ingredients: Triamcinolone

Cream; Topical; Triamcinolone Acetonide
Lotion; Topical
Ointment; Topical
Spray; Topical
Tablet; Oral
http://www.igenericdrugs.com/?s=Kenacort

And perhaps a new nickname for Froome?

Kenacort *** uses and description

Oral inhalation Maintenance treatment of asthma as prophylactic therapy; use in asthma patients requiring systemic corticosteroid administration. 😱
http://www.igenericdrugs.com/?s=Kenacort%20Retard

 

[Granville57]

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/drug-53094-Kenacort+Oral.aspx?drugid=53094&drugname=Kenacort+Oral&source=0&pagenumber=6

Rare side effects of Kenacort oral:

Rash

Trouble Breathing

Dizzy

Over Excitement

I think it's a lock.

Internet sleuths to the rescue. Take that, Cosmo Catalano.

 

[thehog]

I do love the way The Hog ignores all of the posts about 40mg being a normal dose, and claiming that these are Horse / Cow steroids. Yes Prednisolone is used in animals, but so is a lot more. The fact is its approved for human use but, hey, lets not let some medical facts get in the way.

Hog - I do like your posts, but these last few days you have been pushing the envelope with some of them. Ignoring facts and speculating to the extreme.

Yes I apologise for printing direct passages from Walsh's book which is clearly total bullsh1t. My bad 🙄

40mg will kill a horse.

Have a read of the user comment on this site:

http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2012/04/08/prednisone-side-effects-deal-with-the-devil/

Most after a few days became psychotic.

 

[Race Radio]

Most after a few days became psychotic.

Well that explains it......I was on it for a month.

Oh look, a Unicorn!

 

[thehog]

Well that explains it......I was on it for a month.

Oh look, a Unicorn!

Good for you. It's well established that you are amazing at everything. Well done.

Tell us more things your awesome at. I'm sure it's fascinating 🙄

 

[msjett]

In my day job, I process medical claims, and they include pharmaceutical items, According to the pharmaceutical guide I use KenacortA 10(suspension for Injection) is permitted in sport, but KenacortA 40(suspension for injection) is subject to conditions - this product is permitted in sport subject to certain restrictions including routes of administration; urinary thresholds; or is prohibited in some sports but not in others - contact ASADA Drugs in Sport Hotline 13000 ASADA for further details.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Good for you. It's well established that you are amazing at everything. Well done.

Tell us more things your awesome at. I'm sure it's fascinating 🙄

"Neither irony or sarcasm is argument, just the puerile ramblings of the ignorant" Samuel Butler

"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

[Will Carter]

Great, WADA are OK with the process. I haven't ever had an issue with the process, but it seems clear to me that the process is being abused.

Given the circumstances of his withdrawal 3 days before and his performance in Romandie, I think far more likely that the real story is that the expedited TUE was gotten to cover from a drug found to be in his system rather than a legitimate exemption for a health issue.

But that TUE would only be for Predisolone surely, since that is the med that they said they would be prescribing. An AFAIK no-one has ever mentioned Pred as a masking agent.

 

[Will Carter]

Yes I apologise for printing direct passages from Walsh's book which is clearly total bullsh1t. My bad 🙄

40mg will kill a horse.

Have a read of the user comment on this site:

http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2012/04/08/prednisone-side-effects-deal-with-the-devil/

Most after a few days became psychotic.

Easy to find user comments about anything. I'll add one about my experience of Prednisolone - 25mg tapering down over 4 weeks. It transformed my life and made my swollen / arthritic knees return to normal. No side effects for me.

I'll still disagree with your 40 mg will kill a horse comment. But even if its true, that still doesnt mean its dangerous for humans.

 

[el_angliru]

I haven't read all 36 pages yet but I've probably read half of it. So please excuse me if this has been discussed already.

Is it possible that Froome was never ill in the first place when he pulled from LBL? That he simply pulled from LBL in order to make his illness seem probable? And thereby getting urgent access to drugs that would otherwise have been illegal?

Although less far-fetched or colorful than many other theories in this thread (but still far out, I'll admit as much), it answers at least two important questions:

1) Why would Team Sky let a rider with such a serious chest-infection (an infection in urgent need of serious treatments with drugs) ride the Tour of Romandie?

2) How come Froome with a chest infection was able to win the Tour of Romandie and win the TT ahead of riders like Tony Martin and Uran Uran (the latter being in such excellent form in the Giro a week later)?

The answer to both questions is (or rather: could be) that Froome was never ill in the first place. With the recent Dauphine in mind, Froomes results at Romandie seems extraordinary. Froome crashed and had some wounds in Dauphine, and he lost 5 minutes. His performance at Romandie was never the performance of an ill or injured rider.

 

[GreasyMonkey]

But that TUE would only be for Predisolone surely, since that is the med that they said they would be prescribing. An AFAIK no-one has ever mentioned Pred as a masking agent.

It can well be used - If you load up a sample with a readily detected (and a large volume of) drug, it changes the scaling of instruments, rendering very small traces of other substances to a level called "noise".

Add in a "valid" TUE for the readily detected substance and rely on human psychology to do the rest - "oh a huge amount of Prednisolone, valid TUE for it, OK, PASS..."

 

[GreasyMonkey]

I haven't read all 36 pages yet but I've probably read half of it. So please excuse me if this has been discussed already.

Is it possible that Froome was never ill in the first place when he pulled from LBL? That he simply pulled from LBL in order to make his illness seem probable? And thereby getting urgent access to drugs that would otherwise have been illegal?

Although less far-fetched or colorful than many other theories in this thread (but still far out, I'll admit as much), it answers at least two important questions:

1) Why would Team Sky let a rider with such a serious chest-infection (an infection in urgent need of serious treatments with drugs) ride the Tour of Romandie?

2) How come Froome with a chest infection was able to win the Tour of Romandie and win the TT ahead of riders like Tony Martin and Uran Uran (the latter being in such excellent form in the Giro a week later)?

The answer to both questions is (or rather: could be) that Froome was never ill in the first place. With the recent Dauphine in mind, Froomes results at Romandie seems extraordinary. Froome crashed and had some wounds in Dauphine, and he lost 5 minutes. His performance at Romandie was never the performance of an ill or injured rider.

See http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1492649&postcount=157 on page 16 of this thread.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

So let's get the timeline sorted...

26th April, flies back from Tennerife for L-B-L, found to have "suddenly" developed a terrible cold/flu, and is pulled.

29th April, get an "urgent" TUE for Prednisone for asthma/bronchial inflammation,

29th April, starts Tour of Romandie, and rips the legs off all, including ITT World Champion, in the ITT.

According to this:

“I gave everything I had in the Romandie prologue but I was coughing so much that we decided to ask for a TUE that evening. It was just an oral [corticosteroid], there was no injection.”

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tue-process-was-legitimate-says-froome

the timeline is actually:

So let's get the timeline sorted...

26th April, flies back from Tennerife for L-B-L, found to have "suddenly" developed a terrible cold/flu, and is pulled.

29th April, starts Tour of Romandie, and rips the legs off all, including ITT World Champion, in the ITT.

29th April, coughs a lot after the prologue, gets an "urgent" TUE for Prednisone for asthma/bronchial inflammation,

which makes it look even more weird to me.

 

[Tinman]

Is there any more info in the media on the Team Sky decision to pull him out of L-B-L on the 26th?

If that was for a "terrible flu" then how much more - or less - terrible would his flue have to be to ask for a TUE on the 29th. Why not have asked for one on the 26th?

And did the TUE on the 29th get requested before or after the ITT? Presumably before and the cortisone assisted getting the ITT result. If the ITT result was NOT cortisone assisted then how bad could the flu have been leading to such a great ITT? And why not ask for the TUE on the 28th or even 27th if this flu was already so "terrible".

The GLOW Hypothesis makes total sense. Particularly if one can assume Team Sky would have waited as long as possible, ie AM on the 29th, to see if the glow had worn off before requesting the TUE.

It all seems more than fishy to me with both Froome's as well as Zorzoli's shady histories.

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

29th was the prologue in which he was "only" 13th

 

[Dear Wiggo]

29th was the prologue in which he was "only" 13th

Yeah right, my bad.

So he went ok in the prologue, but coughed a lot and got an emergency TUE for steroids, then proceeded to drop everyone on a MTF and smash everyone in a TT.

 

[froooome]

Froome couldn't drop Spilak, actually was beaten by him.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Effect of corticosterone administration on mammary gland development and p27 expression and their relationship to the effects of energy restriction on mammary carcinogenesis.

No man boobs for Froomey then....

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Froome couldn't drop Spilak, actually was beaten by him.

Froome dropped Spilak and then waited for him.

As admitted by both Froome and Sky's DS on the day, and was obvious when watching the stage live.

The fact that Spilak outsprinted Froome at the end him seems immaterial given this scenario.

Have you seen the stage, or read any of the stage reports?

 

[Tinman]

Another interesting part, a short whack of prednisone (or any catabolic steroid) will likely reduce endogenous EPO production, and reduce glow time...

I am trying to identify some specific papers on this, have not yet found, but not really looked either.

http://www.researchgate.net/publica...ure_de_prednisolone_et_scrtion_d'rythropotine

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Another interesting part, a short whack of prednisone (or any catabolic steroid) will likely reduce endogenous EPO production, and reduce glow time...

I am trying to identify some specific papers on this, have not yet found, but not really looked either.

http://www.researchgate.net/publica...ure_de_prednisolone_et_scrtion_d'rythropotine

Reduce endogenous? What about exogenous? Coz it's effectively a ratio that triggers a positive, so if ENDo is down, and EXo unaffected, that would not be a good idea.