UCI helped Froome with illegal(?) TUE at Romandie

[go crazy]

Which, let's not forget, he got from doping to begin with.

Wow, this comment is so ridiculous, I could actually believe it wag Greg Lemond himself posting!

 

[sniper]

So WADA need only two days to issue this statement of support for UCI's TUE policy. Seems quick.
A couple of days back IOC issued a press release to publicly praise UCI for its anti-doping efforts.
All in all, UCI, WADA and IOC seem pretty harmonized at the moment, firmly backing each other. Nobody's out of tune. Friends amongst each other. Add in that the peloton seems quite happy at the moment as well.

more than ever it'll be waiting for a whistleblower or a journalist with balls.

 

[Granville57]

Wow, this comment is so ridiculous, I could actually believe it wag Greg Lemond himself posting!

Yeah. It's just plain "crazy."

 

[TheGame]

40mg per day!!!

What is he? A cow? That's a truck load of steroid!.

Standard dosage is 5-60mg a day. But I'm sure you know that.

 

[go crazy]

Yeah. It's just plain "crazy."

Yes, and I wasn't the one who said it haha!

 

[Granville57]

Yes, and I wasn't the one who said it haha!

 

[Rollthedice]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-support-chris-froome-tue-decision

nothing to see here.

Actually I learned it was an "exceptional circumstance". Quite right.

 

[Will Carter]

Which, let's not forget, he got from doping to begin with.

FOUL!

That has never been proven from what I have seen. Its possible - yes (and even Ferrari worried about it) - but this has never (AFAIK) been publicly blamed / considered in a big way.

 

[Will Carter]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-support-chris-froome-tue-decision

nothing to see here.

WADA are ok with it so I am.

I have much more faith in the WADA as an independent organisation that is willing to go head to head with federations. The UCI could be a lot better as a federation.

Seriously, just because some feds / countries aren't great don't tar all the agencies with that brush.

 

[keeponrollin]

Yeah. It's just plain "crazy."

So crazy that the Doctors treating LA never thought it important enough to bother asking him if he ever doped, because it couldn't possible be of interest.

I mean HGH, harmless isn't it?

 

[Will Carter]

Standard dosage is 5-60mg a day. But I'm sure you know that.

I do love the way The Hog ignores all of the posts about 40mg being a normal dose, and claiming that these are Horse / Cow steroids. Yes Prednisolone is used in animals, but so is a lot more. The fact is its approved for human use but, hey, lets not let some medical facts get in the way.

Hog - I do like your posts, but these last few days you have been pushing the envelope with some of them. Ignoring facts and speculating to the extreme.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Wow, this comment is so ridiculous, I could actually believe it wag Greg Lemond himself posting!

What is so "ridiculous" about it? I'm pretty sure it's been posted here several times(IIRC), that he got Cancer from his doping.

That may not have been the sole reason, but I could see how it contributed to it. So with that said, YES, it DID contribute to him getting it.

FOUL!

That has never been proven from what I have seen. Its possible - yes (and even Ferrari worried about it) - but this has never (AFAIK) been publicly blamed / considered in a big way.

It was also "never proven" that he doped right? Over 500 tests and nothing

As I said above, I'm pretty sure others have posted it. if it wasn't solely responsible for it, it certainly contributed to it, even you agree with that from the last part of your statement.

 

[thehog]

WADA are ok with it so I am.

I have much more faith in the WADA as an independent organisation that is willing to go head to head with federations. The UCI could be a lot better as a federation.

Seriously, just because some feds / countries aren't great don't tar all the agencies with that brush.

Exception circumstances for an exceptional performance?

 

[the sceptic]

WADA are ok with it so I am.

I have much more faith in the WADA as an independent organisation that is willing to go head to head with federations. The UCI could be a lot better as a federation.

Seriously, just because some feds / countries aren't great don't tar all the agencies with that brush.

Maybe Brailsford has sir Reedie on speed dial?

WADA giving the green light doesnt change the fact that this story is very suspicious.

 

[Will Carter]

So crazy that the Doctors treating LA never thought it important enough to bother asking him if he ever doped, because it couldn't possible be of interest.

I mean HGH, harmless isn't it?

Loads of stuff is linked to Cancer, that's the issue. It could be drugs, alcohol, bad diet, genes, too much sun, obesity, or even just bad luck that no-one can explain. You can even look the other way - my granddad smoke for 50+ years from the age of 14 and it didn't kill him.

Always an example you can use to prove / disprove anything. Hell - statistically its more likely that I will be run over crossing the road than winning the lottery, but I still do both.

 

[Benotti69]

Loads of stuff is linked to Cancer, that's the issue. It could be drugs, alcohol, bad diet, genes, too much sun, obesity, or even just bad luck that no-one can explain. You can even look the other way - my granddad smoke for 50+ years from the age of 14 and it didn't kill him.

Always an example you can use to prove / disprove anything. Hell - statistically its more likely that I will be run over crossing the road than winning the lottery, but I still do both.

Statistically it is more likely Froome is doping.

 

[red_flanders]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-support-chris-froome-tue-decision

nothing to see here.

Great, WADA are OK with the process. I haven't ever had an issue with the process, but it seems clear to me that the process is being abused.

Given the circumstances of his withdrawal 3 days before and his performance in Romandie, I think far more likely that the real story is that the expedited TUE was gotten to cover from a drug found to be in his system rather than a legitimate exemption for a health issue.

 

[The Hitch]

I would agree. Walsh says no TUEs for Badzhilla but I'm thinking Froome hasn't told Walsh the whole story.

The weight loss occurred before Vuelta 11 which appears the season he was heavily treated for the apparent disease. I think asthma was invented shortly after as a cover.

Wiggins has asthma as well

From Inside Sky

where does it say wigfins has asthma?

 

[The Hitch]

Link? I seem to have missed this and on the surface it doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't. I followed the links to the report and iirc it merely said that symptoms of asthma areess acute when one has bilharzia, not that one cancels the other out.

 

[thehog]

where does it say wigfins has asthma?

Walsh fails to mention it.... but....

Some of Team GB's brightest gold medal hopefuls for 2012 have asthma, including Tour de France champion Bradley Wiggins. Talking about his asthma, cyclist Bradley told Asthma UK: 'It's only a hindrance if you make it one - it does sound quite bad if you are diagnosed with asthma and your natural instinct is to think that's it. But there is better medicine available now and I am an Olympic champion - the evidence is out there that you can succeed.'

http://www.asthma.org.uk/News/bradl...c-hopefuls-who-are-flying-the-flag-for-asthma

 

[the sceptic]

Great, WADA are OK with the process. I haven't ever had an issue with the process, but it seems clear to me that the process is being abused.

Given the circumstances of his withdrawal 3 days before and his performance in Romandie, I think far more likely that the real story is that the expedited TUE was gotten to cover from a drug found to be in his system rather than a legitimate exemption for a health issue.

Agreed. Thats where Id put my money too. Or maybe Froome thought he needed some extra help?

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/06/w...es-in-granting-froome-tue-for-corticosteroid/

An informed medical source, who did not want to be publicly identified, also expressed similar concerns. “Using prednisolone, a glucocorticosteroid, for the entire duration of a competition – why would one even attempt to race?” he told CyclingTips.

“This is [usually] banned in competition for good reason – it is a potent stimulant and it is catabolic, not anabolic. It basically deregulates energy metabolism so that appetite is increased and more energy is burnt with much less fatigue.

“If intake does not match increased output, rapid fat loss ensues. If this goes on for more than a few weeks, muscle starts getting chewed up when the fat runs out. It’s been a mainstay of doping for at least 50 years.”

The individual was not accusing Froome of improper use, but rather raised concerns about the current regulations permitting a rider to seek a TUE to take the substance during competition.

“Can anyone dope up for a whole stage race if they complain of a cough? The tablets have a much more potent systemic effect, that’s why they are banned,” he said. “Suggesting it is okay to race rather then recover in this situation would be medically unusual.”

 

[King Boonen]

Shane piece really is excellent reporting. The question of racing while sick is very valid. He also explains about Cortisone and weight loss.



There have been rumors of Sky using Cortisone for weight loss for a while but it has been hard to get an good explanation of how as it goes against conventional wisdom. This explains it well. Would be interesting to see if they are using it in combination with any other muscle building products, could be a interesting combo

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9279129

 

[King Boonen]

It doesn't. I followed the links to the report and iirc it merely said that symptoms of asthma areess acute when one has bilharzia, not that one cancels the other out.

Thanks, I was just about to read it. Won't bother now.

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9279129

Thanks, interesting read.

for years there have been various combos that can cause weight loss while maintaining muscle. Ullrich used a combo of Test, Thyroid medicine, and Clen. Contador used Clen and test. Landis tried Clen but it kept him up for 3 days and he stopped. I wonder if they are using some kind of anabolic complement to maintain power?

I have heard they are using kenacort, strong stuff. While a rider can use Coritsone OOC without a TUE Kenacort is injected. That is against the rules.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Couple that with the studies that suggest those with Asthma to be immune from Badzhilla theres more questions than answers.

Link? I seem to have missed this and on the surface it doesn't make any sense.

So the Guardian story doesn't actually say if you have Bilharzia you are immune from Asthma. Its all just research and hypothesis where they THINK there may be a connection. Nothing proved other than some research on mice. Its the same as most other big 'breakthrough cure' stories.

It doesn't. I followed the links to the report and iirc it merely said that symptoms of asthma areess acute when one has bilharzia, not that one cancels the other out.

Thanks, I was just about to read it. Won't bother now.

Hoggy got his timeline mixed up.

Having Bilharzia ---> lessened asthmatic reaction.

Having asthma does not make you immune to Bilharzia.

Having Bilharzia, and then having your body generate the antibodies it does to deal with the Bilharzia means that the symptoms of asthma are greatly reduced due to those same antibodies. Not the other way around.