UCI helped Froome with illegal(?) TUE at Romandie

[TailWindHome]

Except those teams belonging to the MPCC won't allow to race with TUEs. Point in case per Nibali.

It's really only Sky and Saxo which has a free for all on TUEs.

Ok. That may be true.

However it doesn't support the assertion that Sky got favourable treatment from the UCI.

 

[thehog]

Ok. That may be true.

However it doesn't support the assertion that Sky got favourable treatment from the UCI.

It also doesn't support the assertion that they didn't receive favourable treatment. The fact that they were able to so easily get a TUE for Froome race crushing ride can certainly lead one to ask the question of favouritism.

It's still open for debate and most concerning that the UCI Doctor with a long history of diminished ethical standards is again the one handing out TUEs to the strongest team in the peloton.

Join the dots...

 

[TailWindHome]

It also doesn't support the assertion that they didn't receive favourable treatment.

So... irrelevant then. Well done.

It's still open for debate

Indeed. Bring some evidence.

 

[sniper]

It also doesn't support the assertion that they didn't receive favourable treatment. The fact that they were able to so easily get a TUE for Froome race crushing ride can certainly lead one to ask the question of favouritism.

It's still open for debate and most concerning that the UCI Doctor with a long history of diminished ethical standards is again the one handing out TUEs to the strongest team in the peloton.

Join the dots...

favoritism? nah.

Sky, at one of their bi-annual meetings, briefed the Tour de France organisers ASO about his precise training regime in Tenerife with his personal coach, Tim Kerrison, making a PowerPoint presentation.

“We felt it’s our job to be transparent and tell people what we’re doing, and the more we can tell people the less mystery there is,” said a Sky spokesperson on Thursday night. “We’re not doing it to try and convince them we’re clean, we are clean. We are genuinely proud of the work we doing and they enjoyed what we had to show them.”

 

[thehog]

So... irrelevant then. Well done.

Indeed. Bring some evidence.

I'd prefer if Sky would show the transparency that keep claiming they have. It shouldn't be up to me or trash can digging French journalist to catch them out.

They should just be open & honest.

Not too much to ask?

Sounds like you'd prefer not to know about their cheating?

 

[TailWindHome]

I'd prefer if Sky would show the transparency that keep claiming they have. It shouldn't be up to me or trash can digging French journalist to catch them out.

They should just be open & honest.

Not too much to ask?

Sounds like you'd prefer not to know about their cheating?

Poor

I'm just embarrassed for you now.

 

[BYOP88]

Poor

I'm just embarrassed for you now.

Why are you embarrassed for the Hog? He actually makes a valid point instead of Sky shouting from the roof tops 'we're clean blah blah blah blah'. Why not show the world how they're clean. http://youtu.be/k-RduxAYCQM?t=2m9s

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Poor

I'm just embarrassed for you now.

why you embarrassed for the Hog? theHog will be ok no doubt.

Seems a bit suspicious this TUE.

The percentage of guys who have asthma related issues in the peloton is amazing. If the regular population was afflicted at the same rate we would all be walking around taking hits off Symbicort, Pulmicort / "Primatene® Mist" LMAO.

Does he have to get breathing treatments because everyone knows that if you have an issue such as what he was describing that an rescue inhaler is not worth a crap to get lungs to work better. But I'm guessing this asthma issue he is having has noting to do with normal breathing issues.

Shrooms has the Fish Hack fooled but maybe not everyone is blind.

 

[thehog]

Poor

I'm just embarrassed for you now.

You're not really embarrassed for me. You just didn't know how to respond to the points I made thus chose to attack the messenger. Seen it before from 1999-2005 & 2009-2010.

The fact that didn't have a meaningful response shows that you agree with me. Sky have let you down and most of what they present in regards to "transparency" is all just BS.

What we do know is that they are a team that's very wiling to use illegal substances (albeit with a rushed TUE) to win a bike race.

That's a fact and it can't be denied. And hence why there's so much huffing and puffing is that Sky were caught out when they thought they'd gotten away with it.

If you're comfortable with Froome winning a bike race in crushing style on horse steroids then truth be told - I'm embarrassed for you.

 

[JimmyFingers]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/team-sky-no-medicine-for-regret

Given the earlier assertion that Sky are bigger hypocrites that other teams for claims of cleanliness and transparancy, I thought this article was very telling, which essentially reads like a holier-than-thou diatribe from the doctor of Giant-Shimano esposuing the virtues of MPCC. Whose teams include Astana, Katousha, Lotto, Europcar, Lampre and Belkin.

I'm just not sure in the real world you can say Sky are bigger hypocrites than these if you are following the logic that most if not all are doping in some way (which I don't).

However I agree 100% which the doctor: riding and cortico should be mutually exclusive, at all times. I think Froome did get a performance benefit from the drug beyond simply addressing his ailment and both Sky and the rider themselves should review their policies.

But he didn't cheat, and for that you have to look at WADA and the UCI for tighter procedures. This is a system that has been widely abused in the past and continues to be, yet nothing seems to have changed with it. I hope Cookson and the rest of UCI, and WADA take a hard look at this very soon.

 

[TailWindHome]

You're not really embarrassed for me.

I am a bit to be honest.

You wandered into a discussion regarding the assertion made by another poster that this TUE proved Sky received favourable treatment but found yourself unable to make a constructive contribution and tried to deflect by changing the subject.

Poor.

Drunk uncle at a wedding shouting at the DJ poor.

 

[thehog]

I am a bit to be honest.

You wandered into a discussion regarding the assertion made by another poster that this TUE proved Sky received favourable treatment but found yourself unable to make a constructive contribution and tried to deflect by changing the subject.

Poor.

Drunk uncle at a wedding shouting at the DJ poor.

Your not embarrassed for me. I think you may be a little embarrassed for yourself.

I didn't make any assertions to either position of favoritism. I'm mearly stated based in the evidence at hand that a conclusion cannot be made either way.

But there certainly is questions to be asked relation to the matter of favoritism and thus I raised that point.

Judging by your aggressive reaction and name calling you're not comfortable with Sky nepotism either. Yes?

Perhaps calm down and debate reasonably and not like said "drunk uncle" at a wedding - whatever that means

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I am a bit to be honest.

You wandered into a discussion regarding the assertion made by another poster that this TUE proved Sky received favourable treatment but found yourself unable to make a constructive contribution and tried to deflect by changing the subject.

Poor.

Drunk uncle at a wedding shouting at the DJ poor.

"Play datt Wobble Baby or Cupid Shuffle again DJ!"

OHHHHHHHHH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd6UI6wEIsU

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Hey he was taking this pill "prednisolone" for what now? Maybe he has the Crohn's?

 

[JimmyFingers]

Much lulz @ the drunk uncle comment

 

[the sceptic]

how many pro riders died on zorzoli's watch?

i rest my case.

if you guys want to find saints taking over wada,uci,aso, good luck finding them. years ago, most of the clinic praised david walsh as the big journalist lol.

zorzoli is a keeper.
tues are ok and many substances should be available to the riders. but only under supervision of doctors and health inspectors. every rider to have access.

Well I would prefer someone that doesnt have the history that Zorzoli does.. There are many doctors out there that knows how to keep people alive.

But the biggest problem is that when everything goes through this guy, how do we know he treats everyone the same and doesnt play favourites? seems like a system that is ripe for corruption and very easy to abuse.

 

[TailWindHome]

Your not embarrassed for me. I think you may be a little embarrassed for yourself.

I didn't make any assertions to either position of favoritism. I'm mearly stated based in the evidence at hand that a conclusion cannot be made either way.

But there certainly is questions to be asked relation to the matter of favoritism and thus I raised that point.

Judging by your aggressive reaction and name calling you're not comfortable with Sky nepotism either. Yes?

Perhaps calm down and debate reasonably and not like said "drunk uncle" at a wedding - whatever that means

You're throwing everything at this now.

 

[the sceptic]

Much lulz @ the drunk uncle comment

Hog is clean. Maybe you should post another wall of text of how youre still not sure if sky are doping or not?

 

[thehog]

You're throwing everything at this now.

No I'm just stating fact.

Froome won a bike race by a healthy margin using an illegal steroid. It's fairly straight forward.

He crushed the mountain stage and then killed World Time Trial champion in the ITT. All whilst ingesting steroids unbeknownst to everyone bar the UCI (favoritism?).

Nibali couldn't and didn't take steroids. When Froome went flying past him I'm sure he didn't know Froome was abusing a high grade horse steroid.

They are a very simple set of facts.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Hog is clean. Maybe you should post another wall of text of how youre still not sure if sky are doping or not?

How about you actually read something I write, then spend however long it takes for you to understand it, then write something that engages those points in an intelligent manner, and then we might all learn something beyond being reminded by pretty much every post you make here how pointless you are.

 

[TailWindHome]

No I'm just stating fact.

Froome won a bike race by a healthy margin using an illegal steroid. It's fairly straight forward.

He crushed the mountain stage and then killed World Time Trial champion in the ITT. All whilst ingesting steroids unbeknownst to everyone bar the UCI (favoritism?).

Nibali couldn't and didn't take steroids. When Froome went flying past him I'm sure he didn't know Froome was abusing a high grade horse steroid.

They are a very simple set of facts.

In amongst the hyperbole of that post there are at least 3 assertions which are based on assumptions rather than facts.

None of it in any way relevant to the conversation you butted into.

Excellent work.

 

[MatParker117]

No I'm just stating fact.

Froome won a bike race by a healthy margin using an illegal steroid. It's fairly straight forward.

He crushed the mountain stage and then killed World Time Trial champion in the ITT. All whilst ingesting steroids unbeknownst to everyone bar the UCI (favoritism?).

Nibali couldn't and didn't take steroids. When Froome went flying past him I'm sure he didn't know Froome was abusing a high grade horse steroid.

They are a very simple set of facts.

Killed him? The gap was less than a second

 

[the sceptic]

How about you actually read something I write, then spend however long it takes for you to understand it, then write something that engages those points in an intelligent manner, and then we might all learn something beyond being reminded by pretty much every post you make here how pointless you are.

Well, wake me up when your posts are less than 1000 words and contain something other than "I refuse to accept the obvious and will stick my head in the sand and write a bunch of nonsense instead"

 

[thehog]

I've added again my post below which has made you so angry. It's fairy simple.

And it's all most relevant; you cannot escape the fact that Froome used a performance enhancing drug for his victory.

The fact that he did and that it was so easy to obtain by "exception" shows that Froome, Sky and the UCI are all very at ease with the methods applied.

Additionally the fact that Froome single handily killed the field shows that perhaps he wasn't all that sick or not sick at all and used the drug purely for "performance enhancement".

This entire ethical, ZTP, 'I don't know how to be any cleaner' BS is just that... BS. Question is why? What are they hiding?

Join the dots...

It also doesn't support the assertion that they didn't receive favourable treatment. The fact that they were able to so easily get a TUE for Froome race crushing ride can certainly lead one to ask the question of favouritism.

It's still open for debate and most concerning that the UCI Doctor with a long history of diminished ethical standards is again the one handing out TUEs to the strongest team in the peloton.

Join the dots...

In amongst the hyperbole of that post there are at least 3 assertions which are based on assumptions rather than facts.

None of it in any way relevant to the conversation you butted into.

Excellent work.

 

[Will Carter]

1. Banned substance

2. Taken in a race

3. Emergency TUE required to protect rider who took said substance

4. UCI happy to oblige

I think that's the line of reasoning. Which seems obvious.

Maybe you'd be more comfortable in the Babes on Bikes thread.

1. Only in competition, not out of
2. Taken in race after TUE granted
3. In line with WADA guidelines
4. Suposition

And your point is?