I don't think it's sensible to ban TUEs under competition. Making riders potentially toss away a years work, or more in an olympic focused sport, because of a treatable medical condition is something to be avoided as far as possible.
Though Sky's tendency to make a big ballyhoo about standards and then quietly go back on them is problematic
Though Sky's tendency to make a big ballyhoo about standards and then quietly go back on them is problematic
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thehog said:Matt I take it your in favor of the use of steroids to win bike races?
Did you see that mountain stage? Froome rides fast on Predisone. Probably matches his training numbers?
The length the bots will go to defend Froome is pretty funny. Doping is now ok, as long as its legal. Juicing on horse roids and winning stages while waiting for the others? No problem, Zorzoli said it was ok.
Still no evidence he doped and never tested positive.
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Will Carter said:
The bolded is not a fact, it is what has been claimed. A Sky doctor reported to the UCI doctor that Froome was sick enough to require an emergency TUE for the drug in question. WADA has confirmed this. This does not mean Froome was actually sick, it just means that's what the Sky doctor told the UCI doctor. Nothing like that has ever been underhanded before, right?
One can choose to believe that Sky took an acutely ill rider, their TdF leader and pumped him full of 'roids to compete and easily win Romandie. One could also choose to believe that's a load of codswallop and they got him a TUE for a drug he was using in training. One could also choose to believe he was "too sick" for LBL, or one could choose to believe they kept him out for other reasons.
There are no facts WRT Froome actually being sick other than that's what Sky has claimed. The claim is a fact, the actual sickness is a matter of belief one way or another.
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TailWindHome said:
To you? Yes I agree, it appears you don't want to know about Froome's use of illegal substances to win a bike race.
I understand that. When your favorite team/rider gets found out you just want pretend it didn't happen.
However because you wish to pretend it did't happen you can't stop others from talking about it and asking questions in regards to "favoritism" and Froome's use of performance enhancing drugs to win a bike race.
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TailWindHome said:
Does it seem normal to you that a sick rider can ride at 6.0w/kg + while waiting for another rider? Could you explain how this is possible?
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In all the BS for me if an ATHLETE needs prescribed something like Prenisilone or any of your other favourite Glucorticosteroids then they should NOT be racing, they need a steroid they are unfit to race. I believe that it's not the first time Froome has had this.
It continues to bug me that teams and the UCI seem not to give a damn about rider health, TUEs are all very well but if a rider needs something "heavy" they shouldn't be riding
It continues to bug me that teams and the UCI seem not to give a damn about rider health, TUEs are all very well but if a rider needs something "heavy" they shouldn't be riding
the sceptic said:
From what I've read over the past week it seems that this steroid Froome had a TUE for has fairly hefty performance enhancing qualities (as well as being effective for the illness for which it was issued) so it would not be surprising that a rider could be genuinely ill for the prologue and perform well a couple of days later.
As Flanders points out up the page the sickness and it's degree is not proven.
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the sceptic said:
Here's what a very sick Chris Froome on horse steroids can do to a MPCC steroid free Nibali.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gFxtdeQYZ4&sns=em
I'd hate to see Froome when he's healthy!
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thehog said:
By all means talk about it.
I invited the conversation.
The invitation said to bring evidence - you turned up with nothing but rehashed snark.
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TailWindHome said:
No, I just stated fact. You're the one who called me a "drunk uncle".
I chose not to debase the conversation with personal attacks.
You just didn't like what I brought to the table. It's still very simple. Froome used a PED to win a bike race. And more than likely Sky's connections and influence allowed that to occur.
Don't blame me for the situation. I'm not the one jacking up the Sky riders on god knows what.
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thehog said:Yes facts.
Froome used an illegal performance enhancing steroid to win Romandie.
That's what it comes down to
Illegal how?
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Digger said:
Thank god.
Though I was kind of looking forward to her going nuclear during the Tour.
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As long as uncle Walsh is still around we can get some good comedy.. But I think Michelle will come back. She is too addicted to stay away for too long.
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red_flanders said:The bolded is not a fact, it is what has been claimed. A Sky doctor reported to the UCI doctor that Froome was sick enough to require an emergency TUE for the drug in question. WADA has confirmed this. This does not mean Froome was actually sick, it just means that's what the Sky doctor told the UCI doctor. Nothing like that has ever been underhanded before, right?
One can choose to believe that Sky took an acutely ill rider, their TdF leader and pumped him full of 'roids to compete and easily win Romandie. One could also choose to believe that's a load of codswallop and they got him a TUE for a drug he was using in training. One could also choose to believe he was "too sick" for LBL, or one could choose to believe they kept him out for other reasons.
There are no facts WRT Froome actually being sick other than that's what Sky has claimed. The claim is a fact, the actual sickness is a matter of belief one way or another.
If the team doctors can call up uncle Zorzoli and get TUE's without anyone else seeing the "patient" it is a big hole in UCI's much praised (not here obviously, but by WADA and IOC) anti-doping system. Why isn't the race doctor involved at least? He/she should be easily available and somewhat more neutral than the team doctor.
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