UCI helped Froome with illegal(?) TUE at Romandie

[Will Carter]

Similarly in Switzerland asthma medications and the like are basically over the counter.

So is / was EPO is / wasn't it?

 

[bigcog]

So is / was EPO is / wasn't it?

I'd be surprised if it is/was. "they are used in treating anemia resulting from chronic kidney disease, inflammatory bowel disease (Crohn's disease and ulcer colitis) [17] and myelodysplasia from the treatment of cancer (chemotherapy and radiation)." Those are all serious illnesses, not something you treat over the counter.

 

[thehog]

So is / was EPO is / wasn't it?

A question for Frankie Anderu.

Apparently it was his country of choice for procuring EPO.

 

[Joe Banks]

Which bit of WADA procedure did they not follow?

The article purports that the only rule that was broken (WADA's or otherwise) was the rule requiring TUEs be kept strictly confidential.

Cookson probably won't do anything about it for fear of being branded Pat McQuaid 2.0.

And if Froome calls for his rights to be respected he will be branded Lance 2.0

Probably only Michelle Cound is brave/crazy enough to make any noise. Bless her.

 

[Will Carter]

A question for Frankie Anderu.

Apparently it was his country of choice for procuring EPO.

Ah - that would be it, in his affidavit I think.

 

[Will Carter]

The article purports that the only rule that was broken (WADA's or otherwise) was the rule requiring TUEs be kept strictly confidential.

Cookson probably won't do anything about it for fear of being branded Pat McQuaid 2.0.

And if Froome calls for his rights to be respected he will be branded Lance 2.0

Probably only Michelle Cound is brave/crazy enough to make any noise. Bless her.

Not sure that is what DirtyWorks is getting at - I think he's alleging / implying something else. I don't remember reading that anywhere so a link would be good.

 

[Joe Banks]

Not sure that is what DirtyWorks is getting at - I think he's alleging / implying something else. I don't remember reading that anywhere so a link would be good.

https://medium.com/@MichaelCarcaise/tue-confidentiality-in-pro-cycling-909dc2972c37

 

[Will Carter]

https://medium.com/@MichaelCarcaise/tue-confidentiality-in-pro-cycling-909dc2972c37

As I said, I think Dirty Works was implying something else:

Originally Posted by DirtyWorks
Ugh. This is more doping apologists garbage distracts from the simple truth the UCI cares so much about anti-doping they cannot be bothered to follow WADA procedure.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

https://medium.com/@MichaelCarcaise/tue-confidentiality-in-pro-cycling-909dc2972c37

where Michael Carcaise opines:

Chris Froome played by the rules and now his reputation has been irreparably damaged through a violation of his right to confidentiality. The UCI has a duty to protect the privacy of athletes throughout the TUE process.

all well and good if your team hadn't rather publicly dissed TUEs.

 

[BroDeal]

where Michael Carcaise opines:

all well and good if your team hadn't rather publicly dissed TUEs.

They are p!ssed off because now everyone knows Froome is just as jacked on cortisone as Ricco was on EPO. It is being used not only in training but also during races. It explains why Froome looks like something H.R. Giger would paint.

This also solves the mystery of why Sky, the self appointed cleanest team in the world, refuses to join the MPCC.

 

[Will Carter]

150?

Try 400-600e's per year with little to no tax implications.

Yep. These guys are saying nothing and don't care if its Wiggins or Froome.

To be honest Hog you could say that for a lot of the big teams. I'm sure Saxo are paying good wack. Also not sure where your Tax comment comes from - that's nothing to do with the team, its where the employee 'resides' for those kind of riders for the top teams.

 

[thehog]

To be honest Hog you could say that for a lot of the big teams. I'm sure Saxo are paying good wack. Also not sure where your Tax comment comes from - that's nothing to do with the team, its where the employee 'resides' for those kind of riders for the top teams.

Of course. It wasn't solely directed at Sky. I guess it's only when a dom gets popped and loses that income they talk.

What's the price of silence? I'm sure JTL will be looked after.

 

[Hawkwood]

he didn't defeat merckx only by doing that
but yes, both thevenet and hinault were notorious for their massive cortisone abuse. which absolutely in time put the end on their careers(especially thevenet's).knees destroyer.

I know, 75 was quite a race. I've got a Paris Match magazine somewhere with an interview with Thevenet, I think it's from early 1977. He was talking about piling weight on during the winter of 75-76, and said this was down to attending functions and necking loads of wine, I guess the drugs didn't help.

 

[Will Carter]

They are p!ssed off because now everyone knows Froome is just as jacked on cortisone as Ricco was on EPO. It is being used not only in training but also during races. It explains why Froome looks like something H.R. Giger would paint.

I missed that article - have you got a link?

 

[zigmeister]

https://medium.com/@MichaelCarcaise/tue-confidentiality-in-pro-cycling-909dc2972c37

"If this violation goes unpunished we will see a dangerous “new normal” emerge in which pro cyclists are pressured to publicly disclose their TUEs or, when they refuse to do so, face damage to their reputation when their TUEs are leaked to the press....Imagine the new parlor game the armchair MDs in The Clinic will play, reverse engineering diagnoses for riders based on the medicines they take."

There is a very easy way to resolve this. The riders can sign an agreement, as required to maintain their pro license, that certain things can/will be disclosed about their medical history. For example, passport type of data, TUEs for racing etc...

Other stuff, who really cares except the tabloids.

Of course, it doesn't really matter, like in the US with the Constitutional 4th Amendment rights that are violated continually with no ramifications to those that violate it.

 

[TailWindHome]

What's the price of silence? I'm sure JTL will be looked after.

Looked after how?
Were you not previously arguing that Sky have hung him out to dry?

 

[TailWindHome]

http://inrng.com/2014/06/uci-vs-jdd-round-two-wada-guidelines-tue/

The discussion seems to have switched focus.

The idea that Sky (via Oli Cookson) have got preferential treatment with Zorzoli fast tracking the signing off their TUEs without referring to committee has been debunked.

The UCI doesn't have a committee.

Er....

Summary
WADA says the UCI must have a formal committee of experts to review the granting of Therapeutic Use Exemptions. The UCI says it complies with the WADA Guidelines, suggesting the committee’s in place. But Le Journal du Dimanche says the UCI does not have a Therapeutic Use Exemption Committee and instead Dr Zorzoli has been acting alone, against WADA Guideline 2.1.1. Who is telling the truth, the UCI or the Journal du Dimanche?

 

[thehog]

http://inrng.com/2014/06/uci-vs-jdd-round-two-wada-guidelines-tue/

The discussion seems to have switched focus.

The idea that Sky (via Oli Cookson) have got preferential treatment with Zorzoli fast tracking the signing off their TUEs without referring to committee has been debunked.

The UCI doesn't have a committee.

Er....

Thanks for posting this.

TUEs for none MPCC teams and one man decides?

No wonder Sky won't join the MPCC and why left Bikepure.

 

[Benotti69]

I missed that article - have you got a link?

http://www.lejdd.fr/Sport/Cyclisme/Affaire-Froome-l-UCI-n-a-pas-respecte-les-regles-672667

...the UCI has no particular committee of international experts assumed grant AUT (CAUT), as yet dictate the rules of the World Anti-Doping Agency since always! It is the sole responsibility and Dr Mario Zorzoli, the coordinator of the medical commission of the UCI to grant these permissions may be - as in the case of Froome - aid to performance. The AMA has asked the UCI to remedy this failure.

 

[Will Carter]

http://www.lejdd.fr/Sport/Cyclisme/Affaire-Froome-l-UCI-n-a-pas-respecte-les-regles-672667

Interesting article but not what I was after. I was after the one that BroDeal was referring to with this comment:

"They are p!ssed off because now everyone knows Froome is just as jacked on cortisone as Ricco was on EPO. It is being used not only in training but also during races. It explains why Froome looks like something H.R. Giger would paint."

 

[JimmyFingers]

I lolled at Walsh calling out Sky on an 'ethical' basis. He's allied himself too closely with them to maintain credibility. How can he have writted this book and not be concerned by Sky's or mainly Froome's ethics? He's painted him as an opportunistic narcissist with a profound sense of entitlement, entirely someone I could believe would ruthlessly exploit the rules to win a race.

 

[Will Carter]

I lolled at Walsh calling out Sky on an 'ethical' basis. He's allied himself too closely with them to maintain credibility. How can he have writted this book and not be concerned by Sky's or mainly Froome's ethics? He's painted him as an opportunistic narcissist with a profound sense of entitlement, entirely someone I could believe would ruthlessly exploit the rules to win a race.

I must admit it is odd that Walsh is acting so surprised / disappointed. This is a team that have said in the past that they would be clean but that they would push the boundaries of the rules / push the rules to the limit.

Would it really be that much of a surprise if they were using corticos in training when they don't need a TUE (that to me would be a good example of pushing the boundaries as would utilising a TUE when its allowed).

Or did Walsh think that Sky were only taking Vitamin C tablets ...

Remember, this isn't some novice. This is a journo who has been involved in top level sport for 20+ years.

 

[Benotti69]

I must admit it is odd that Walsh is acting so surprised / disappointed. This is a team that have said in the past that they would be clean but that they would push the boundaries of the rules / push the rules to the limit.

Would it really be that much of a surprise if they were using corticos in training when they don't need a TUE (that to me would be a good example of pushing the boundaries as would utilising a TUE when its allowed).

Or did Walsh think that Sky were only taking Vitamin C tablets ...

Remember, this isn't some novice. This is a journo who has been involved in top level sport for 20+ years.

Dont forget Walsh got sucked in by JV's declaration that Sky were a clean team just like Garmin

 

[Digger]

So, Walsh thought Froome was clean before the embedding because:
JV told Walsh that Wiggins would win the tour if he stayed at Garmin.
Walsh reckoned Garmin were clean.
Wiggins did nothing out of the ordinary at Sky relative to his performances at Garmin.
So Sky mustn't be doping.

End result, Froome is clean...


Award winning journalist.

 

[Benotti69]

Froome and the TUE, like most things is this sport and doping, we have been here before........

Spit in the soup @Spitinthesoup · Jun 15
Rasmussen in his book, where he claims that the UCI covered up suspect values during the 2005 Tour de France:

“Doctor Leinders and doctor Mario Zorzoli, the head of the UCI's Medical Department, had a meeting where they ...

....talked the matter over. When it was over, I was allowed to ride on. No cause for alarm”

“Rabobank had a good relationship with the UCI; We had figured it out amicably ”

That Cookson still employs Dr Zorzoli shows just how cleanER cycling is.