Very interesting to follow the next months. Will teams adjust their program and of their riders? Who's get injured and some hot racing coming up in October in Asia?so, the gaps are still closing.
COFIDIS are now on the hot seat (the 5th team to ocupy the 19th place this year) UNO-X and ARKEA are going downhill. IPT went uphill thanks to Gee, but overall the gaps are still closing.
after the TDF, some teams destiny will be more clear, if it is for promotion or relegation.
i think it's now more depend on the wildcard and invites the team can achieve.
in any case they can still manage to get the TDF invite, being a French team. that's serves as a kind of insurance policy to all the French teams of course.
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There are more interesting charts above.
But I feel obligated to see this one through
But I feel obligated to see this one through
they don't know, as of now, if they'll get the wild card. they will out of the guaranteed wild cards, and Bernaudeau (Total) will have a team in 2026.
I feel its more about them potentially not existing next year to worry about wildcards. They need to perform now if they are to attract a new sponsor.
To be honest a lot of riders are not pro-worthy. They stacked the team low budget with riders from their development squad. Though for the Tour they can field a really nice team with Vauquelin, Gesbert, Demare, Garcia Pierna, C-Rod2, Costiou, Guarnalec and Gugliemi but they haven't got a B-squad. Mozzato and Svestad will find their place next year.
but why should they really care about other races at all? if you are a decent French team (at least placed 30) you can participate in this race (specially now when they allowed 23 teams) , which is really is "the race" and you can even say is "the pro sport".
Full points this week:
UnoX: 416
Cofidis: 203
PicNic: 160
Astana: 80
Intermarche: 20
UnoX: 416
Cofidis: 203
PicNic: 160
Astana: 80
Intermarche: 20
- Jan 22, 2010
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I've always ranked a stage win in Dauphine the same as 4th place in the prestigious one-day race Antwerp Port Epic / Sels Trophy. The UCI-points system <3
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You could also argue than winning a stage of Besseges is way better than finishing 6th of a Dauphine sprint stage.
Lesser placings are hugely overvalued, especially in the 5th to 10th rank.
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Not sure if it's been discussed in this thread, but I came to think that if you reduce points for minor placings and put some ICI points on the climbs and sprints, you may actually improve racing as:
• Teams like Astana would chase the win rather than bein satisfied with 3 people in top 10.
•Teams close to the relegation zone would be more inclined to join the break in sprint stages.
Of course, this won't have massive effect on year one of the cycle, but on the second and especially 3rd year it's a change I'd like to see.
• Teams like Astana would chase the win rather than bein satisfied with 3 people in top 10.
•Teams close to the relegation zone would be more inclined to join the break in sprint stages.
Of course, this won't have massive effect on year one of the cycle, but on the second and especially 3rd year it's a change I'd like to see.
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Astana do have the fourth most wins this season; most off them at .Pro level.
the gaps are getting even more narrower this week:
UNO-X has made a comeback this week, after missing the Giro.
sadly ARKEA is getting nowhere.
COFIDIS is still on the hot seat but so close to PICNIC.
XDS are still not too far away from both of them.
UNO-X has made a comeback this week, after missing the Giro.
sadly ARKEA is getting nowhere.
COFIDIS is still on the hot seat but so close to PICNIC.
XDS are still not too far away from both of them.
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The simple rule change should be to only have the points from your best placed rider count in any day of racing for teams. GC at stage races and Grand tours may be the exception. That way, teams will race for the best result possible rather than stack 3 guys in top 10. Such an easy win for the sport. UCI obviously asleep at the wheel.
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So the top-3 Pro teams (based on the previous years scoring) will now get invited to everything.
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As expected. You would want to be a Pro Team if you're not good enough. Like I said before, a team like UNO X would be stupid to try to go for WT. They are in an absolute luxurious position as one of the best Pro Teams.
Also perfect for Cofidis if they relegate. They shouldn't stress anymore.
It's funny cause ASO, RCS and Q36.5, the 3 main actors who pushed for that extra WC hate to see this. The whole point of the extra WC is lost doing this. RCS for example will have to either let Polti/Bardiani (could be saved if Polti doesnt make top 30) or q36.5 at home if no one forfeits their invite. Cofidis probably will. But they won't for the Vuelta.
At the end of the day it will mostly be fine for everyone as long as Arkea disappears. Everyone will get the Tour invite anyways.
Also perfect for Cofidis if they relegate. They shouldn't stress anymore.
It's funny cause ASO, RCS and Q36.5, the 3 main actors who pushed for that extra WC hate to see this. The whole point of the extra WC is lost doing this. RCS for example will have to either let Polti/Bardiani (could be saved if Polti doesnt make top 30) or q36.5 at home if no one forfeits their invite. Cofidis probably will. But they won't for the Vuelta.
At the end of the day it will mostly be fine for everyone as long as Arkea disappears. Everyone will get the Tour invite anyways.
I understand your point of view and the UCI promoting big money teams. But, Cofidis is only 400 points above Q36.5. It is still possible for them to lose everything. The battle between Picnic/Cofidis but also Tudor/Q will be fierce. And yes, wildcards can become again tricky.
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If Cofidis manages to finish behind Q36.5 this year they deserve to fold. Pidcock his classics are already behind us.
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With the additional rule that the limit to be eligible for Wild Cards goes to top 30 in the overall ranking it means there will be a constant group of 9 teams each season fighting for the 2 WC spots in GTs.
Currently Vini Fantini and Euskaltel would not be eligible for those WCs next year.
Currently Vini Fantini and Euskaltel would not be eligible for those WCs next year.
I understand your approach. But I think you're forgetting an important point: if only the best rider counts, then it becomes increasingly important to have a few star riders. If you have a Pogi, you score tons of points in every race. If you don't have that, it becomes much more difficult. So I'm not a fan of your suggestion, because cycling is a team sport.
But I completely understand that you want the teams to race for victories and not for places.
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