UCI Points system

[Samamba]

12/6/24
we are now in the middle of UCI's WorldTour evaluation period 2023-2025.
as it stands now, the relegated teams will be :
1)Arkea (-1129 from Dsm)
2)Astana (-3287 from Dsm)

the promoted teams
1)Lotto (9236 from uno-x)
2)IPT (4628 from uno-x)

a it stands now 2025 WT wildcards
1)Lotto - all events (1914 points from uno-x)
2)IPT - all event (1215 from uno-x)
3)Uno-x - one day

To be clear. It does not matter for Lotto or IPT what their gap is to Uno X on the 3y ranking. Just the top 18 of all teams count (so just like others gap to Arkea to promote). And so technically you could add UNO X in the first part as they also still has a (small) shot at promoting if they overtake Arkea and DSM (or another team in the top 18).

For the wildcards you indeed have to look at the gap to UNO X on THIS years ranking.

 

[aruipksni]

To be clear. It does not matter for Lotto or IPT what their gap is to Uno X on the 3y ranking. Just the top 18 of all teams count (so just like others gap to Arkea to promote). And so technically you could add UNO X in the first part as they also still has a (small) shot at promoting if they overtake Arkea and DSM (or another team in the top 18).

For the wildcards you indeed have to look at the gap to UNO X on THIS years ranking.

yes you are right , i edited my post.

 

[aruipksni]

25/6/24
just before starting of the tour and after all national championships were held:

2026 promotion picture:
1)Arkea (-1418 from DSM)
2)Astana (-3512 from DSM)

*Uno-X will not be promoted -2387 to DSM

the promoted teams
1)Lotto
2)IPT

as it stands now 2025 WT wildcard teams will be:
1)Lotto - all events (1709 points from Uno-x)
2)IPT - all event (1314 from Uno-x)
3)Uno-X - one day

 

[aruipksni]

22/7/24
just after the tour ended gaps are now bigger then before:

2026 promotion picture:
1)Arkea (-1527 from DSM)
2)Astana (-3257 from DSM)

*Uno-X will not be promoted -2194 to DSM

the promoted teams:
1)Lotto
2)IPT

as it stands now 2025 WT wildcard teams will be:
1)Lotto - all events
2)IPT - all event
3)Uno-X - one day (-1710 from lotto)

 

[Potomac]

The 18th placed team at the end of 2023 had about 9,000 points.
It is hard to judge but the same pace seems reasonable to end 2024.
So I will go ahead and predict 27,000 points at the end of 2025 are needed.

 

[Unchained]

The 18th placed team at the end of 2023 had about 9,000 points.
It is hard to judge but the same pace seems reasonable to end 2024.
So I will go ahead and predict 27,000 points at the end of 2025 are needed.

Isaac del Toro

Isaac del Toro (born 2003-11-27 in Ensenada) is a professional road racing cyclist from Mexico, currently riding for UAE Team Emirates. His best results are winning GC Vuelta Asturias and winning a stage in Tour Down Under.

www.procyclingstats.com

His UCI points are at the bottom!! He is doing his part so UAE doesn't get relegated!!

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Isaac del Toro

Isaac del Toro (born 2003-11-27 in Ensenada) is a professional road racing cyclist from Mexico, currently riding for UAE Team Emirates. His best results are winning GC Vuelta Asturias and winning a stage in Tour Down Under.

www.procyclingstats.com

His UCI points are at the bottom!! He is doing his part so UAE doesn't get relegated!!

Those are his PCS points

 

[Unchained]

Those are his PCS points

Why do they have UCI points to the right of PCS, and what are the individual race results points have a separate PCS and UCI points column.. Real question.. I have no idea, just assumed that UCI points were and PCS points are different.. If not, appreciate your explanation. I only use prostats to see upcoming race data.. You see Del Toro w 2 events upcoming.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Why do they have UCI points to the right of PCS, and what are the individual race results points have a separate PCS and UCI points column.. Real question.. I have no idea, just assumed that UCI points were and PCS points are different.. If not, appreciate your explanation. I only use prostats to see upcoming race data.. You see Del Toro w 2 events upcoming.

Oh wait, sorry, I had it a bit mixed up because I was looking on my phone. There are his UCI points at the bottom.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Del Toro:
762 PCS points
1215 UCI points (penalties: 50)

 

[Potomac]

I'm missing why Del Toro and UAE are getting any mention in a discussion about the relegation/promotion zone.

 

[Kaptain Kool]

I'm missing why Del Toro and UAE are getting any mention in a discussion about the relegation/promotion zone.

I think the point is that Del Toro is single-handedly saving UAE from the relegation zone. IMHO very impressive for a 16 year old!

 

[Pozzovivo]

Alaphilippe and Hirschi to Tudor. Can they be the "best" (most points) .pro team outside Lotto and Israel next year? Huge if they can get the Auto-invite to all WT one days.

The relegation battle next year is going to be insane!

 

[Samamba]

Alaphilippe and Hirschi to Tudor. Can they be the "best" (most points) .pro team outside Lotto and Israel next year? Huge if they can get the Auto-invite to all WT one days.

The relegation battle next year is going to be insane!

They won't have to battle against Lotto (who I don't expect to do good on the UCI ranking next year) and Israel. Well at least probably as they are expected to promote to WT the year after. They will have to battle against the teams that will be Pro Conti in 2026, so Astana/China probably and right now also Arkea and UNO X (could be maybe Cofidis or DSM but i expect it to stay how it is honestly).

So yes I expect them to be have guaranteed WCs from 2026 onwards, probably even the stage races and thus Grand Tours even. Alaphilippe and Hirschi, that's basically 4500+ points extra. And the riders they already have can do better too if they start to ride for points. And maybe someone else is coming over. Asgreen is being rumoured but maybe he chose UNO X, not sure.

 

[Pozzovivo]

Yeah, besides (outside) lotto and Israel is what I meant. Doubt that Hirschi and Ala can bring in 4500 points! Seems a bit much. Hirschi should get slightly less points as he won't only figure on small reaces for Tudor, and instead of having 3-4 teammates from UAE in leading group he will be competing against them in 2.pro and 1.pro races. Ala is a wildcard, but has not exceeded 2000 points for three years now. Both are probably going to do most of the WT races for them - and points there are really hard earned.

 

[Samamba]

Yeah, besides (outside) lotto and Israel is what I meant. Doubt that Hirschi and Ala can bring in 4500 points! Seems a bit much. Hirschi should get slightly less points as he won't only figure on small reaces for Tudor, and instead of having 3-4 teammates from UAE in leading group he will be competing against them in 2.pro and 1.pro races. Ala is a wildcard, but has not exceeded 2000 points for three years now. Both are probably going to do most of the WT races for them - and points there are really hard earned.

Hirschi scored 3000+ points on his own last year... Alaphilippe is already at 1300+ right now. It depends obviously on how they use him. I agree that Hirschi will get a bit less, and I agree about the .Pro race stuff (at least about winning less, he can still easily podium all those races), but it also means he doesn't have to work in bigger races. He's a bit of a meme, but he's also just an insanely good rider with and the ideal type to score loads of points.

 

[Pozzovivo]

I have not seen Hirschi work for anyone in UAE since the 2021 TDF. Maybe one time at Fleche?...

He participates in races that Pogacar does for instance but he never works for him or anyone else. Look at LBL. Not a single pull for pog in any of the editions. Doubt that Hirschi can pass 2000 points a season on Tudor I must say. But we will see, he is a really good rider as you say!

 

[Unchained]

Hirschi scored 3000+ points on his own last year... Alaphilippe is already at 1300+ right now. It depends obviously on how they use him. I agree that Hirschi will get a bit less, and I agree about the .Pro race stuff (at least about winning less, he can still easily podium all those races), but it also means he doesn't have to work in bigger races. He's a bit of a meme, but he's also just an insanely good rider with and the ideal type to score loads of points.

This is a pretty presumptive premise.. This is just my opinion, but no rider, even the absolute best can " easily podium " that doesn't exist currently in professional cycling. Only rider fitting loosely in that description is Pogacar. I don't think he would ever say publicly if he truly believes that he can " podium easily ".
And as far as lots of riders going for breakfast or dropping into the small chain
ring when they see Marc Hirschi, don't think people racing w him or against him see him as dominant, a sure thing.
I think he is under Fabian Cancellara management, so switching to Tudor gets him leadership chances he didn't have at UAE because he was not dominating. I have never observed him do anything insanely good consistently.
I still like him despite his morality.

 

[andrew_s]

...no rider, even the absolute best can " easily podium " that doesn't exist currently in professional cycling. Only rider fitting loosely in that description is Pogacar.

Look at things the right way and Pog's on an 83% win rate and 100% podium rate for this year.
(Strade 1st, MSR 3rd, Catalunya 1st, LBL 1st, Giro 1st, Tour 1st)

Count stages as races in the normal way, and that goes to 38% and 51%.

 

[Leadbelly]

Some good points incoming for Uno-X. The gap to Lotto and IPT in the auto-wildcard battle is still fairly healthy for the leading duo, but those two teams and their fans might be getting a bit nervous.

 

[Pozzovivo]

Some good points incoming for Uno-X. The gap to Lotto and IPT in the auto-wildcard battle is still fairly healthy for the leading duo, but those two teams and their fans might be getting a bit nervous.

As a Cofidis fan I'm extremely nervous. Uno-X doing everything right and our boys are in terrible shape!!

The last two weeks have been brutal to Cofidis. Entering all the small points races and getting destroyed! Are the people asleep at the wheel?

 

[aruipksni]

As a Cofidis fan I'm extremely nervous. Uno-X doing everything right and our boys are in terrible shape!!

The last two weeks have been brutal to Cofidis. Entering all the small points races and getting destroyed! Are the people asleep at the wheel?

According to PCS, Cofidis signed to many races till the end of the year (27), that not like ARKE number (31) , but still a lot and they will do much more races then Uno-X for sure (in PCS UNO-X only sign to 11 races, and they don't do the Vuelta, so eventually they are going to score somewhere.

 

[Pozzovivo]

According to PCS, Cofidis signed to many races till the end of the year (27), that not like ARKE number (31) , but still a lot and they will do much more races then Uno-X for sure (in PCS UNO-X only sign to 11 races, and they don't do the Vuelta, so eventually they are going to score somewhere.

Uno X will do a lot more races than that. The PCS page is not reliable for Uno-X. All the italian classics they do wil pop up later.

Uno X are btw securing 150 uci points tomorrow in Lidl-D tour. They are gonna do ridiculously small races like Muur Classic Geraardsbergen and Alfasun Gooikse Pijl p/b Lotto. And they will send their tdf and classics team to them.

But most worringly is the complete lack of form from all the Cofidis riders. They have been sooooooo pooor this year. Only Zingle keeping the water out of the ship atm. Arkea with very poor signings helps a bit though.

 

[Samamba]

Alfasun Gooikse Pijl p/b Lotto

Yes the ridiculously small race with 9 WT teams and all the best Pro teams. Gooikse Pijl is literally one of the most stacked .1 races every year cause a lot of topsprinters go.

Muur Classic is of course indeed a great race to dominate from them cause the little WT team that are there have their best team in Renewi Tour (just weird that they are at the same time honestly).

And yes, UNO X will definitely ride more than what PCS says, in Oktober in particular. Some Italian classics, some Belgian and French ones, etc. But I wonder if they will do the first "easy" part of the Italian classics, the one at the beginning of September. That's where you can farm a lot of points as there are never a lot of WT teams going.

Cofidis signed to many races till the end of the year (27), that not like ARKE number (31)

Al always wonder when these 2 French teams are going to understand that riding as many races as they just ruins their own riders. Yes riding a lot of races in necessary for points, but they completely overdo it. I genuinly do not understand why riders are still signing there when they know they will just get worn out for points.

 

[Pozzovivo]

Al always wonder when these 2 French teams are going to understand that riding as many races as they just ruins their own riders. Yes riding a lot of races in necessary for points, but they completely overdo it. I genuinly do not understand why riders are still signing there when they know they will just get worn out for points.

Because they rarely have better options and the 3-4 riders who do get the BAG of greens from these teams compared to what let's say DSM etc want to give them.