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Samamba

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Devil's Elbow said:
Also worth noting that Picnic are currently behind all three of Uno-X, Tudor and Q36 (and also Cofidis, in the unlikely event that both teams fail to make it) in the yearly ranking. It's unlikely, but it would be very funny if they miss out on everything.
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If they finish behind Q36.5 in the end they deserve to fold (unless Pidcock really delivers a masterclass season, but I don't believe in that)

So if that 3 guaranteed WCs thing goes through I doubt a single relegated team is going to be in throuble. On the other hand it would also actually be hilarious that that rich team everyone decided to change the rules for wouldn't make it meaning organizations would possibly be in the exact same situation next year, they will have to choose Q36.5 over a domestic team if they want them in. Unlikely it will be like that tho, chances would be high one of the 3 automatically invited teams would skip Vuelta or Giro and it's also possible one of the Spanish or Italian teams don't finish inside the top 30 this year.
 
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Samamba said:
At this point there's not really any doubt anymorr that Astana is staying in the WT. They use every possible strategy to maximize points, without annoying riders (at least it looks like that). Obviously you can't do that every year but they also don't have to with their Chinese money. Just this year.
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Definitely helps they've signed a lot of sub-elite riders who are happy with top ten places. Teunissen, Champoussin, Ballerini, Fortunato, Bol. Not many of their riders are really 'winners' in that they risk a good result for a win, other than maybe Bettiol who has been AWOL since he signed anyway.

But, in fairness, they have actually done really well in WT races this year. They have been active and visible in the cobbled classics, and were active in Paris-Nice, too. This year's performances have definitely been WT quality.
 
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Potomac

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An impressive haul so far for Astana.
I know it is only April, but the racing calendar, and the chance to earn points, starts slowing down in May.

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source: https://www.uci.org/discipline/road/6TBjsDD8902tud440iv1Cu?tab=technicalrankings&page=1
 
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Brullnux said:
Definitely helps they've signed a lot of sub-elite riders who are happy with top ten places. Teunissen, Champoussin, Ballerini, Fortunato, Bol. Not many of their riders are really 'winners' in that they risk a good result for a win, other than maybe Bettiol who has been AWOL since he signed anyway.

But, in fairness, they have actually done really well in WT races this year. They have been active and visible in the cobbled classics, and were active in Paris-Nice, too. This year's performances have definitely been WT quality.
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I can imagine with the Chinese money they can probably afford to have a fairly generous bonus system based on UCI points scored if they want.
 
Eddy Evenepoel

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danielzu said:
This week so far:

Cofidis: 220
Astana: 123
UnoX: 55
PicNic: 55
Intermarche: 30
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It's a pretty interesting period coming up towards Liege

Hainan: Astana will score quite a bit.
Pays de la Loire Tour: Uno-X looks good, but still 2 stages to go and very close in GC. Even Cofidis have good chances here.
Itulzia: Astana and Cofidis will score a bit, but doesnt seem likely with big GC points.
Roubaix: Anything can happen here. I think Uno-X have the best team for this race among these teams, but it will be hard to actually score big.
Giro d'Abruzzo: Only Intermarche on the start list, seems to be very few decent teams here. Should be possible to score.
Ronde Van Limbourg: Only Intermarche and Cofidis does this. Good possibility to score.
Brabantsje Pijl: Picnic not going, but not sure how strong teams the other 4 lines up. Teuns for Cofidis and Hoelgaard for Uno-X could do very well. Astana and Intermarche also have strong riders.
Tour of the Alps: Only Picnic going. Strong team with Bardet and Poole.
3 Jura races: Uno-X with both Johannessen and Cort here instead of Amstel, clearly aiming for points. Cofidis doesnt have their best team here and the other 3 teams are sitting out.
Amstel: Cofidis looks strong with Aranburu, Teuns and Izagirre. Uno-X not sending their best team, still Hoelgaard and Kron can perhaps score a bit of points? Astana have Champoussin, Schelling and Velasco, no Scaroni. Intermarche and Picnic looks a bit weak, but Rota and Van den Broek can do well.
Fleche: I dont think any of the teams looks really strong, but guys like Onley, THJ, Teuns and some Astana boys can definitively get in the top 10 on a good day.
Liege: Picnic looks strong here with Bardet and Onley, but its not likely that Bardet can copy the 2nd place from last year. Cofidis, Astana and Uno-X should be competitive for maybe a top 10, Intermarche looks weak.

Who will score the most points in this period? I think Intermarche looks the weakest, but they also have a nice lead. I think Picnic is extremely depending on a strong showing from Poole, Onley and Bardet in Tour of the Alps, Fleche and Liege.
 
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After tour of hainan this weeks points:

Astana: 391
Cofidis: 235
PicNic: 63
UnoX: 55
Intermarche: 30

Astana scored 300 points in china. Last year mulu and gate had 425 there, so they truly hoped for more
 
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Yeah 125 points is the difference betweet 1st-2nd and 3th-4th.
They still managed to get as many points as they could after Wednesday's debacle but they can't be happy considering they will miss a few races in Europe now. Perhaps they're sending a couple riders to Reggio Calabria and Giro d'Abruzzo with the Italian national team? We'll see.
 
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Eddy Evenepoel said:
It's a pretty interesting period coming up towards Liege

Hainan: Astana will score quite a bit.
Pays de la Loire Tour: Uno-X looks good, but still 2 stages to go and very close in GC. Even Cofidis have good chances here.
Itulzia: Astana and Cofidis will score a bit, but doesnt seem likely with big GC points.
Roubaix: Anything can happen here. I think Uno-X have the best team for this race among these teams, but it will be hard to actually score big.
Giro d'Abruzzo: Only Intermarche on the start list, seems to be very few decent teams here. Should be possible to score.
Ronde Van Limbourg: Only Intermarche and Cofidis does this. Good possibility to score.
Brabantsje Pijl: Picnic not going, but not sure how strong teams the other 4 lines up. Teuns for Cofidis and Hoelgaard for Uno-X could do very well. Astana and Intermarche also have strong riders.
Tour of the Alps: Only Picnic going. Strong team with Bardet and Poole.
3 Jura races: Uno-X with both Johannessen and Cort here instead of Amstel, clearly aiming for points. Cofidis doesnt have their best team here and the other 3 teams are sitting out.
Amstel: Cofidis looks strong with Aranburu, Teuns and Izagirre. Uno-X not sending their best team, still Hoelgaard and Kron can perhaps score a bit of points? Astana have Champoussin, Schelling and Velasco, no Scaroni. Intermarche and Picnic looks a bit weak, but Rota and Van den Broek can do well.
Fleche: I dont think any of the teams looks really strong, but guys like Onley, THJ, Teuns and some Astana boys can definitively get in the top 10 on a good day.
Liege: Picnic looks strong here with Bardet and Onley, but its not likely that Bardet can copy the 2nd place from last year. Cofidis, Astana and Uno-X should be competitive for maybe a top 10, Intermarche looks weak.

Who will score the most points in this period? I think Intermarche looks the weakest, but they also have a nice lead. I think Picnic is extremely depending on a strong showing from Poole, Onley and Bardet in Tour of the Alps, Fleche and Liege.
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IMHO Wanty has the best team for Roubaix. If he does not crash, puncture, which is always a huge risk of course... Rex will get a high result at Roubaix. Top10 is definitely attainable. Girmay a huge unknown, but he could be decent as well.

For the rest of the races, I agree our chances do not look quite good. I guess Meintjes will be deployed at Abruzzo and he could be score there given the field.

For Ardennes, Kamp looks completely washed but I don't write him off for the only two races of the season which he usually performs, Brabantse Pijl and Amstel. Don't expect anything, but also don't be surprised if he gets a Top10 out of nowhere at all. The best card anyways is Barré who is looking very good (for his level) this season. I think he could be quite good at Amstel, suits him well. Rota on the other hand is underperforming and I don't expect anything from him.
 
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danielzu said:
After tour of hainan this weeks points:

Astana: 391
Cofidis: 235
PicNic: 63
UnoX: 55
Intermarche: 30

Astana scored 300 points in china. Last year mulu and gate had 425 there, so they truly hoped for more
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After pays de loire and todays itzulia stage:

Astana: 419
Cofidis: 296
UnoX: 120
PicNic: 63
Intermarche: 30
 
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