UCI Takes on the World

[thehog]

The Hog: "

You may well be right that the Swiss government would be unhappy about malfeasance at the UCI (for which there seems to be growing evidence), but as a point of fact, Switzerland is not a member of the EU, so maintaining membership would not be the motivation.

Incorrect. Switzerland is a member of the EU - its doesn’t belong to the common currency but is an EC country. (note EC not EU - my mistake).

It also adopts EU laws - hence the opening of banking records.

 

[Mambo95]

Incorrect. Switzerland is a member of the EU - its doesn’t belong to the common currency but is an EC country. (note EC not EU - my mistake).

It also adopts EU laws - hence the opening of banking records.

No. Switzerland don't belong to the EU, EC or E anything.

 

[rata de sentina]

No. Switzerland don't belong to the EU, EC or E anything.

Hush, don't question thehog.

 

[Lanark]

perhaps this has been addressed elsewhere, so forgive me if it is repetitive.

Why did (would) the UCI protect any rider from a positive test? especially given that much more well-liked riders (e.g. heras, rebellin) didn't get protected and even seem to be black-listed.

Because Armstrong was too big to fail. An American (a big new market), with a great PR-story, starts dominating just after the biggest doping-story from the sport, they couldn't afford to lose him. According to the WADA-chief, Armstrong's 'donations' are pretty much unique in any sport. Rebellin and Heras may be well-liked (actually, people liked Rebellin?), but their positives don't damage the sport in such a meaningfull way in order to take the risk to coffer it up (and with WADA receiving all information of positive samples, something that would be almost impossible).

 

[thehog]

No. Switzerland don't belong to the EU, EC or E anything.

As I stated Switzerland has adopted EU law.

Don't waste my time.

 

[flyor64]

Not sure whose blog this is, but an excellent post on how to remove Pat, and why it's so difficult, is written by the Inner Ring:

Link here.

Definitely should be considered before forging too far ahead.

Good read Alpe, thanks! Depressing read Alpe, you stink!

I nominate "Jonathan Vaughters' Sideburns" as the best username in the comments section...

This line stuck with me, although we all knew it already, it resonates:

Fans, teams, riders and race organisers can only make representations, they have no direct voice.

 

[Mister Crud]

The one organisation that has any power over the UCI is the Swiss government. Believe me in the era of protecting ones economy and maintaining EU membership they don't want the central hub for prescription drugs trafficking centred out of their country. Watch this space.

Switzerland is not in the EU. That's why the UCI, and many other sports governing bodies (F1, Footy) are based there. No accountability.

 

[thehog]

Put this in the right thread: - From Hein;

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1021/Meer-spo...rmstrong.dhtml

Loosely translated the most important part (besides the ubiquitous denial of the cover-up) states the following:

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Ik herhaal het nog maar eens: Lance Armstrong heeft nooit doping gebruikt. Nooit, nooit, nooit. En dat zeg ik niet omdat ik zogenaamd een vriend van hem zou zijn, want dat is helemaal niet zo. Ik zeg het, omdat ik er zeker van ben.

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I will repeat it once again: Lance Armstrong never doped. Never, never, never. And I don't just say that because I am supposed to be his friend, because I am not. I say so because I am absolutely sure of that.

 

[thehog]

...and some more:

“There's no reason that I should continue to prove my innocence - let people prove that we are guilty,” he said in a phone interview with the Associated Press yesterday.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8...people-prove-we-are-guilty.aspx#ixzz1NG54bp6C


Verbruggen has rejected the claims. “There has never been a cover-up. Not in the Tour de Suisse, not in the Tour de France,” he said. “I don't know anything about suspicious tests. I was not aware of that.”

He repeated these denials in a separate interview with AD.nl. “What should I do? Must I prove that I have not done it? Is the world upside down? Moreover, I think there is also a task for journalism. Now I always defend myself every time there is an idiot with this kind of story. But no one has yet proven anything.

“It's impossible, because there is nothing. I repeat again: Lance Armstrong has never used doping. Never, never, never. And I say this not because I am a friend of his, because that is not true. I say it because I'm sure. Even if we would like, it would not be possible to bury a positive test. Test results are not only given to the UCI, but also to WADA. So once and for all: under my presidency such practices never occurred in the UCI.”

Armstrong has said that he made several payments of money to the UCI. He stated that these were anti-doping donations, but has said he is not sure of the amounts. He has denied ever using banned products.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8...people-prove-we-are-guilty.aspx#ixzz1NG5S4Ebp

 

[python]

i am just stunned by verbruggen's thickness and intransigence.

even on the surface his arguments are some of the easiest to deconstruct - they conradict well known repeated ad nausium facts...

2001 tds postives sent to wada ?

you fool, but the uci did not adopt wada code until 2004.

armstrong never doped ?

how can you be so sure, tool. didn't you yourself write how epo was not detectable.

your irish sidekick is at least not THAT stupid !

 

[LugHugger]

No. Switzerland don't belong to the EU, EC or E anything.

Actually, it does. EFTA.

 

[sniper]

i am just stunned by verbruggen's thickness and intransigence.

even on the surface his arguments are some of the easiest to deconstruct - they conradict well known repeated ad nausium facts...

2001 tds postives sent to wada ?

you fool, but the uci did not adopt wada code until 2004.

armstrong never doped ?

how can you be so sure, tool. didn't you yourself write how epo was not detectable.

your irish sidekick is at least not THAT stupid !

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Great response to one of the most sorry-assed Dutchmen ever to have walked the face of earth.
This guy makes me feel ashamed of being Dutch.

 

[GJB123]

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Great response to one of the most sorry-assed Dutchmen ever to have walked the face of earth.
This guy makes me feel ashamed of being Dutch.

Unfortunately I'll have to second that.

 

[L'arriviste]

Unfortunately I'll have to second that.

We are all Dutch now...

 

[skippythepinhead]

We are all Dutch now...

If I split the check on a date once, can I still claim I've never never never been Dutch?