UCI: Valverde wonÂ’t get deal for confession

[Benotti69]

I'm with you.

It’s a mess and so much information will be dribbling out that damage control will set in. ASO won't have a choice but to ban riders until investigations are concluded.

The French police are going to be on high alert. It would be stupid to risk doping at this year’s Tour although many will.

ASO are really caught between a stone and a hard place*....they can't tell Uniballer he cant ride as that would throw more fuel on Landis's fire and the shame of a 7 time winner being prevented from riding and if he rides and gets pulled by the feds or others half way through then what, remember while we are cycling with our eyes open lots of people out there are not as clued in and only tune into the TdF every year and dont give the rest of the season much attention...

* i have no sympathy whatsoever for ASO as they are as culpable as the uci and only acted when the police pulled festina, then ignored the opportunity to clean it up as they too leaped on the cancer comeback kids victory not realising how greedy he would be...

 

[Colm.Murphy]

ASO are really caught between a stone and a hard place*....they can't tell Uniballer he cant ride as that would throw more fuel on Landis's fire and the shame of a 7 time winner being prevented from riding and if he rides and gets pulled by the feds or others half way through then what, remember while we are cycling with our eyes open lots of people out there are not as clued in and only tune into the TdF every year and dont give the rest of the season much attention...

* i have no sympathy whatsoever for ASO as they are as culpable as the uci and only acted when the police pulled festina, then ignored the opportunity to clean it up as they too leaped on the cancer comeback kids victory not realising how greedy he would be...

It would seem simple to me to solve.

ASO must set a policy that no rider or team can enter the race if they are "under investigation". Then either the US Feds, or USADA, can qualify their open case, and he'd be held out. He'd cry and kick but that would be all. The UCI can throw their hands up and plead they are powerless to intervene and some other such nonsensical rubbish.

It would also give RS the opportunity to exit, citing a breach of some such fine print, and the whole affair can begin the long glide path towards prosecution that I think we all agree will be the scenario.

The ASO has a face saving out, UCI can talk about this being the "cleanest" tour ever, RS has an out, LA even has a bit of an out, saying he will comply and cooperate and be proven innocent. All parties get to make a statement without taking on too much damage up front.

 

[Benotti69]

It would seem simple to me to solve.

ASO must set a policy that no rider or team can enter the race if they are "under investigation". Then either the US Feds, or USADA, can qualify their open case, and he'd be held out. He'd cry and kick but that would be all. The UCI can throw their hands up and plead they are powerless to intervene and some other such nonsensical rubbish.

It would also give RS the opportunity to exit, citing a breach of some such fine print, and the whole affair can begin the long glide path towards prosecution that I think we all agree will be the scenario.

The ASO has a face saving out, UCI can talk about this being the "cleanest" tour ever, RS has an out, LA even has a bit of an out, saying he will comply and cooperate and be proven innocent. All parties get to make a statement without taking on too much damage up front.

I agree, but the ASO are a big greedy organisation and they don't want to lose face. They put on a lot of events in cycling and ParisDakar and others. They probably are dodgy on tax payments and do not want to draw unwanted attention from anyone and anything, but look what happened to Basso Ullrich, were they stopped from racing a few days before the race began?

these organisations dont want an out, they want the omerta and dont understand why the all BS, to quote Uniballer, is happening. I bet they think they are doing more than any sport in the world....what more do people want blood

 

[Polish]

Why does Valverde need a "deal" in order to confess?

Can't Valverde say "Piti is sorry for cheating" without a "deal"?

Are people saying give Valverde a "deal" to snitch on others?
He can do that also without a "deal".

What is it with these "deals"

Just let him send out a e-mail in a few years naming names ok?
Be patient.

 

[craig1985]

Colm, who is your Danish friend?

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Colm, who is your Danish friend?

Now what kind of question is that to come out and ask?

I reserve my right to keep my sources to myself. And, I take no offense for those who want to call "bullzhit", that is their right, too.

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

wow........another thread with the same 5 guys sitting around a campfire all tossing their loads on the cookie just to see who gets to eat it first
don't you get tired of doing this?


amazing

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

wow........another thread with the same 5 guys sitting around a campfire all tossing their loads on the cookie just to see who gets to eat it first
don't you get tired of doing this?


amazing

Funny how you're always the one who ends up eating the cookie.

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

Funny how you're always the one who ends up eating the cookie.

wow.... another brilliant response by one of the 5

 

[shojii]

Hahaha! Great 'campfire' retort!
Hog, what are the contents of the 'other two emails' that are apparently circulating about? Or are these the same ones that were posted/removed/reposted on the 'shack website?

Shojii

 

[Hugh Januss]

It would seem simple to me to solve.

ASO must set a policy that no rider or team can enter the race if they are "under investigation". Then either the US Feds, or USADA, can qualify their open case, and he'd be held out. He'd cry and kick but that would be all. The UCI can throw their hands up and plead they are powerless to intervene and some other such nonsensical rubbish.

It would also give RS the opportunity to exit, citing a breach of some such fine print, and the whole affair can begin the long glide path towards prosecution that I think we all agree will be the scenario.

The ASO has a face saving out, UCI can talk about this being the "cleanest" tour ever, RS has an out, LA even has a bit of an out, saying he will comply and cooperate and be proven innocent. All parties get to make a statement without taking on too much damage up front.

Wasn't 'being named in an ongoing investigation' the reason that Ullrich and company were not allowed to start the tour in 2006? What has changed?

 

[Anonymous]

Wasn't 'being named in an ongoing investigation' the reason that Ullrich and company were not allowed to start the tour in 2006? What has changed?

It isn't Ullrich .......... ?

 

[craig1985]

Now what kind of question is that to come out and ask?

I reserve my right to keep my sources to myself. And, I take no offense for those who want to call "bullzhit", that is their right, too.

With all due respect, and I'm not saying you're full of crap, it's just that sometimes I'm skeptical of people who try to claim they have inside knowledge, but when pushed to back up their statements, they have nothing.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

With all due respect, and I'm not saying you're full of crap, it's just that sometimes I'm skeptical of people who try to claim they have inside knowledge, but when pushed to back up their statements, they have nothing.

Totally understood.

Take from my posts what you like. Fiction or non-fiction, the choice is yours. I have nothing to prove, to you or anyone else. I post what I feel is reasonable to pass into the public forum. That is all.

 

[blackcat]

With all due respect, and I'm not saying you're full of crap, it's just that sometimes I'm skeptical of people who try to claim they have inside knowledge, but when pushed to back up their statements, they have nothing.

Colm is on the up Craig, lots of stuff I get from different channels, checks out with his mail.

If you want sources and back channel info, you cant expect to get the actual reference. The information will usually take time to be verified publicly. How it works. Be patient dude.

 

[Barrus]

But concerning the e-mails that are being withheld by the media, if this is true can someone give some insight as to what is written in those e-mails.


And does anything of that have anything really to do with the subject of this thread? Are these e-mails by Piti?
Not trying to flame anyone for going off-topic, but more that if these e-mails were from Valverde it could take an even more interesting turn and might ensure others to come forward as well and perhaps we'll get another step closer to a reasonably clean sport

 

[craig1985]

Colm is on the up Craig, lots of stuff I get from different channels, checks out with his mail.

If you want sources and back channel info, you cant expect to get the actual reference. The information will usually take time to be verified publicly. How it works. Be patient dude.

I'm not doubting Colm as I said, I rate him as very good poster.