UCI World Championships 2010, Geelong: Early Thread

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Polyarmour said:
You're right. It's not on his profile at Cycling Australia?? He's had a very good year.

I apologise for calling you a tool.

Yes a plan A is needed. Evans is probably it. The team management and him may well have been bluffing. :p But I doubt that. However publically saying Davis and Goss are the backups is not bright at all. Cyclists are not collectively as a group a bright bunch, but some guys and DS's are very astute. Give them a pre-race warning that you have contingency plans and the whole world knows. They thus know what to look for and can have a pre-planned response.

Cancellara was the best rider in Mendrisio. Evans is in the same boat this year. Home soil and he will be marked like crazy just as Spartacus was last year. Yes having alternatives makes sense but publically declaring them is not bright by any means unless it is a bluff. Even worse is when your backups border on the absurd. It reeks of desperation or poor planning. Does this build confidence in fans and the team? I'd argue no. It adds pressure to riders or worse makes them lazy because they know they're supported regardless. Riders know how good they are. Competing in the Eneco Tour or Poland may be sweet but when you look to your right and see Cav or Freire ready to pounce what does experience and your brain tell you if you're Goss or Davis? I'd say it would be of a negative tone. The lowest denominator is saying guys who have good results for their pedigree, but are lacking the big guns, are your main artilery. I'd personally shut my pie hole than broadcast it to the world. Leave them guessing and take the pressure off the team. Justifying selection is what I called earlier. Tokenism and pointless gesturing. It isn't necessary. Make your decision and stick with it. Don't fluff it.

Rogers has had a very strong season. I like his riding, but in terms of one day races he just doesn't have it. Good week long stage racer. What HTC did to him in Romandie was disgusting. His team lost him the race and a podium spot. He should be a nice bluff this year.

I've always thought that if you cannot win, you try and develop riders (let them learn) and look for creative opportunities during the event. Yes, a backup plan and covering moves during the race is needed, but broadcasting them a month before is daft. Let a breakaway form early on, put someone in it. Pull breakaway back near end of race and have workers set such a ferverous pace that only the strongest riders can go on. Deliver your no.1 guy there and hope for the best. If they do that, one cannot ask for much more. I certainly don't think it is wise nor smart to advertise particular riders as playing key roles strategically when their skills/form are not in proper context. Aka, selectors needn't waste my or anyone who follows cycling's time, telling us Davis and Goss are there because they can sprint. They're good, talented guys who deserve applause, but context wise, given the race, course and opposition, their skills only do so much in a sprint in the event one occurs. If I met the selectors in person I'd ask them to pull the other one.:D
 
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Surely team australia will use Davis and Goss as workers? I can't believe that they are going to be so naive to back Davis who will be dropped after 5 laps of the cricuit and Goss who is still young, has had a long season and will find it a bit too hard for him

Gerro is over rated and Cadel will only come in with 3 race days under his belt before the worlds. Even if davis makes to the finish, will he be able to beat the likes of freire in a bunch kick? NO!

This is why not having haussler in the team is a big loss for team aus!

1. He is a rider who can climb very well and has a strong kick.
2. With him, it doesn't make Australia 1 dimensional with cadel. Cycling Australia may "somehow" believe we are 2 dimensional with Goss/Davis, but until they realise they have made some big mistakes with selections they will understand why they did not get results.

They can't just rely on cadel on this course with his preparation. i will barrack hard for the aussie boys and cadel especially but i don't see them getting a result in the pro ranks. Cadel may podium but he does not have the lead up to win. Gilbert and freire have not had injuries so far and are doing la vuelta. Cadel is still getting physio for his elbow and is still having trouble fully extending it.
 
Stage 3 of the Vuelta won by Gilbert provides some interesting insight into the current form of World Champion hopefuls.

Where were the Australians in relation to Philippe?

ie Gerrans, Goss, Davis and O'Grady?

Well from what I can see they were all 25 minutes behind him. As were Cancellara, Cav, Hushovd and Oscar Freire.
 
Polyarmour said:
Stage 3 of the Vuelta won by Gilbert provides some interesting insight into the current form of World Champion hopefuls.

Where were the Australians in relation to Philippe?

ie Gerrans, Goss, Davis and O'Grady?

Well from what I can see they were all 25 minutes behind him. As were Cancellara, Cav, Hushovd and Oscar Freire.

Great win by Gilbert,lets hope his form holds until the end if the month....Gerrans,Goss,Cancellara,Hushovd and Freire seem to be riding the vueta for form leading into the worlds...Davis,O'Grady and Cavendish wont be in the running for medals.
 
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spartacus looks not so good, but he should improve. I quite like the course for him.

Gilbert was my favorite, and yesterday only strengthens this theory. Hopefully he hasn't peaked yet tho. I will be supporting him anyway.
Watch out for pozzato
 
Timmy-loves-Rabo said:
spartacus looks not so good, but he should improve. I quite like the course for him.

Gilbert was my favorite, and yesterday only strengthens this theory. Hopefully he hasn't peaked yet tho. I will be supporting him anyway.
Watch out for pozzato
How dare you not discuss the Australian selection, you're seriously out of step here :p
 
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theyoungest said:
How dare you not discuss the Australian selection, you're seriously out of step here :p

Oh, didn't i mention they were all riding for 2nd? clearly a title defense in the making here ;)

That is if one of the fantastic 9 - the dutch - don't actually try here... cause if they do.... :D
 

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Timmy-loves-Rabo said:
Oh, didn't i mention they were all riding for 2nd? clearly a title defense in the making here ;)

That is if one of the fantastic 9 - the dutch - don't actually try here... cause if they do.... :D

TGBM, won't be in it though, only to ensure other riders at least have a chance to win the world chanpionship
 
Polyarmour said:
Stage 3 of the Vuelta won by Gilbert provides some interesting insight into the current form of World Champion hopefuls.

Where were the Australians in relation to Philippe?

ie Gerrans, Goss, Davis and O'Grady?

Well from what I can see they were all 25 minutes behind him. As were Cancellara, Cav, Hushovd and Oscar Freire.
Gerrans has a pretty good excuse for not being up there though!
 
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Dark horse for a podium place: Peter Velits
Looked strong today, and has a decent sprint. Problem is that he never wins anything though.
 
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Timmy-loves-Rabo said:
Oh, didn't i mention they were all riding for 2nd? clearly a title defense in the making here ;)

That is if one of the fantastic 9 - the dutch - don't actually try here... cause if they do.... :D

...they will epically fail.
 

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For Portugal selected:

Manuel Cardoso (Footon),
Hernâni Brôco (Paredes Rota dos Móveis-LA)
André Cardoso (Palmeiras Resort-Prio)

The southern European country will perhaps only send four riders to travel to Australia because of budget woes, while they may send six.

Tiago Machado and Sérgio Paulinho have themselves called unavailable, both too tired, and Rui Costa has some physical discomfort. José Mendes, Ricardo Mestre, Filipe Cardoso and Samuel Caldeira are in the race for the other place(s).
 
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DAOTEC said:
For Portugal selected:

Tiago Machado and Sérgio Paulinho have themselves called unavailable, both too tired, and Rui Costa has some physical discomfort. José Mendes, Ricardo Mestre, Filipe Cardoso and Samuel Caldeira are in the race for the other place(s).

Too bad Machado won't be giving it a go. I don't think he has the sprint kick to win on this course, but he could have been a strong player in a breakaway, maybe have a go at a last lap attack...
 
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Big choices to make, do I go watch the World's around the corner with the Flemish guys who live there, or down the road with some Dutchies? I think I'm going to play it safe and go with the Belgians, better beer and the only thing that may stop Gilbert from winning this is that the rest of the world will be marking his every move.
 
badboyberty said:
Big choices to make, do I go watch the World's around the corner with the Flemish guys who live there, or down the road with some Dutchies? I think I'm going to play it safe and go with the Belgians, better beer and the only thing that may stop Gilbert from winning this is that the rest of the world will be marking his every move.

Totally agree badboybberty and Belgium beer tastes better;)
 
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blaxland said:
Who is going to be the replacement rider?

They haven't said. But I think these were their reserves:
Peter Kennaugh (Sky)
Ben Swift (Sky)
Roger Hammond (Cervélo)
David Millar (Garmin-Transitions)

badboyberty said:
Big choices to make, do I go watch the World's around the corner with the Flemish guys who live there, or down the road with some Dutchies? I think I'm going to play it safe and go with the Belgians, better beer and the only thing that may stop Gilbert from winning this is that the rest of the world will be marking his every move.

Always go with the Belgians.
 
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If I was Cav I would want Millar or Hammond - as Millar is doing the TT it seems pretty obvious Hammond is the best option - we know he can make the final selection in long hard one-day races and is a ballsy, selfless rider.
 
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Winterfold said:
If I was Cav I would want Millar or Hammond - as Millar is doing the TT it seems pretty obvious Hammond is the best option - we know he can make the final selection in long hard one-day races and is a ballsy, selfless rider.

It depends what he wants from his team-mates, I guess. If he wants a lead-out man then Swift is far and away his best choice.