thehog said:Be interesting to see if Lance wants to get revenge on Hein and Pat. He’s got nothing to lose anymore. Wouldn’t surprise me for him to go full genius.
I really hope he does. Must be tough to hear Pat dismissing him.
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thehog said:Be interesting to see if Lance wants to get revenge on Hein and Pat. He’s got nothing to lose anymore. Wouldn’t surprise me for him to go full genius.
thehog said:Be interesting to see if Lance wants to get revenge on Hein and Pat. He’s got nothing to lose anymore. Wouldn’t surprise me for him to go full genius.
Bosco10 said:I'm confused. Didn't Lance essentially "plead no contest" by refusing arbitration? He chose not to fight in the first place, so how can he appeal?
thehog said:Be interesting to see if Lance wants to get revenge on Hein and Pat. He’s got nothing to lose anymore. Wouldn’t surprise me for him to go full genius.
ChewbaccaD said:19.09% at this point.
So you voted that they would appeal then.
Alpe d'Huez said:I have to wonder what % of people left in the world actually believe he was clean, and still have a favorable view of him? It has to be close to single digits for both.
Alpe d'Huez said:It's on the front page of USA Today, complete with Pat's press conference.
This seems somewhat of a final nail to me. LA really is finished. His legacy almost certainly cemented as a complete liar and cheater, probably even the biggest fraud in the history of sports.
I have to wonder what % of people left in the world actually believe he was clean, and still have a favorable view of him? It has to be close to single digits for both.
Alpe d'Huez said:It's on the front page of USA Today, complete with Pat's press conference.
This seems somewhat of a final nail to me. LA really is finished. His legacy almost certainly cemented as a complete liar and cheater, probably even the biggest fraud in the history of sports.
I have to wonder what % of people left in the world actually believe he was clean, and still have a favorable view of him? It has to be close to single digits for both.
Lukenwolf said:When they asked Phat Pat about Armstrongs "donation", his reaction reminded me of...
gooner said:Plashed across USA Today says it all.
The percentage that still support him I say are the people that turned up to that livestrong gala the other night and the charity ride yesterday. Even saying that by looks of things not all them support him either and we have heard some Livestrong donors say they want their money back because they contributed under false pretenses. Everyone I have spoken to over here and who don't even follow the sport say they don't have the time of the day for him anymore. You would think some people who don't follow cycling may still see the Livestrong foundation as a means for still supporting him in some capacity but that does'nt even seem to wash with people now.
Alpe d'Huez said:It's on the front page of USA Today, complete with Pat's press conference.
This seems somewhat of a final nail to me. LA really is finished. His legacy almost certainly cemented as a complete liar and cheater, probably even the biggest fraud in the history of sports.
I have to wonder what % of people left in the world actually believe he was clean, and still have a favorable view of him? It has to be close to single digits for both.
Amsterhammer said:I'd say that the only people left who are still unwilling to condemn him, are Americans and Phil Ligett.
alberto.legstrong said:As was mentioned over the weekend, he took the media for a ride and used them as tools to help further his fraud,... " he used them and the media know he knew he was using them. Having been burned, they will assure he gets his rightful place in history..."
zigmeister said:Always easy taking pot shots at the greatest country on earth...haha
With that said, why did the USADA and UCI make such a huge penalty against Armstrong if they are so unbiased, and are doing this for all of the "clean riders" compared to other dopers?
CVV, Dianielson, Levi, Hincapie, JV and the list goes on and on, are just given a simple 6 month suspension (in the off season) and none of their victories or results are taken away?
Is that "fair" to the "clean' athletes? Certainly not. No way, no how.
This is why the USADA/USA Cycling and now UCI look like a bunch of bloodhounds out for one guy to make an example of, hypocritical, and biased. They got the big fish, but of course needed all of the little fish and anybody/everybody in between to land him. So, like most prosecutors with big cases, they offer deals to give lenience in return for cooperation. But it sends the wrong message to everybody.
Clean house with everybody that doped, take all of the results away. That is the "fair" thing to do IMO. Not make an example of one guy. The wrong message to all the clean riders, and guys that did dope during that period says, well, it really isn't that big of a deal, as long as we got Lance!
zigmeister said:Always easy taking pot shots at the greatest country on earth...haha
With that said, why did the USADA and UCI make such a huge penalty against Armstrong if they are so unbiased, and are doing this for all of the "clean riders" compared to other dopers?
and on..........and on
ziggy i think those riders receiving 6 month bans lost quite a lot of results too