UK EPO Positives

[bobbins]

Pah! Bike Radar have bottled it and pulled the thread!

At least here on CN we can call people dopers to our hearts' content!

How easy would it be to keep a positive dope control out of the press. Remarkably easy seems to be the answer!

 

[euanli]

I don't want to name a name in case of getting it wrong. But I came to the conclusion with the following bits of information provided by the Bike Rader thread

-The Rapha Condor Sharp DS gave the tip off which resulted in OOC testing
-The suspicion came from the performance of the rider over two events that happened on a weekend in March
-Both events were won by RCS riders

Do you digging and you will work it out from race reports. Perhaps start on the RCS website.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't want to name a name in case of getting it wrong. But I came to the conclusion with the following bits of information provided by the Bike Rader thread

-The Rapha Condor Sharp DS gave the tip off which resulted in OOC testing
-The suspicion came from the performance of the rider over two events that happened on a weekend in March
-Both events were won by RCS riders

Do you digging and you will work it out from race reports. Perhaps start on the RCS website.

was easy enough to find on the british cycling results page.

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Hes a club rider, and judging from a few forum threads ive found hes posted in, he thinks he's better than he is. What a plug.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

was easy enough to find on the british cycling results page.

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There's a a clue here, right?

-The Rapha Condor Sharp DS gave the tip off which resulted in OOC testing

 

[bobbins]

There are meant to be more than just this one rider positive too which is a worry!

 

[Roland Rat]

was easy enough to find on the british cycling results page.

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Hes a club rider, and judging from a few forum threads ive found hes posted in, he thinks he's better than he is. What a plug.

In the other sport forum I mentioned above he seemed very interested to know whether a certain event would have testing... and this was from 2004. If it is him, you've got to wonder how long he's been doing it.

 

[L'arriviste]

There's a a clue here, right?

-The Rapha Condor Sharp DS gave the tip off which resulted in OOC testing

Thanks to previous posts I'd already started trawling. I love a detective story!

So I came back to say I think I had it and, well, that confirms it. Thanks!

Dropping the science at that level, what a dope!

EDIT: On a side note, did I have it right that there might be a bit of common ground between the alleged offender and the offended, say around 2006?

 

[Anonymous]

on the other hand , its positive for british riding that a doped up cat 2 rider can put rapha under serious pressure. gives the impression that rapha are doing it clean, and they are one of the top domestic teams

 

[nevada]

Maybe Herety didnt like others pi55ing on their parade. Christian House looked massively comfortable at the Wadley, was he on it ?
Its a massive shame if its true.

 

[Darryl Webster]

A few amatuers I knew around Leicester in the 80`s raced with French Clubs and used to come back with tails of this stuff and that stuff in ampules from french and Beguim chemist. I tended to take little notice as the riders in question were strictly " regional" standard but had pretentions to more but in my mind just didnt have the engine.
I heard simieler stories about young riders who rode in Italy.
So many of these stories seemed to be kinda full of bravado and as none were by riders I rated ( bar two) and certainly none went on to big things I payed scant attention. My thoughts were " more fool you".
I was often asked if I ever made it to TDF level would I dope.
My answer then as it would be now is that only if I was a contender and that was truely the reality at that leval, otherwise no.
It never occured to me you couldnt even get to be a contender without it as even I feel there has to have been some clean riders who reached the top tier before they doped.
My rational?..a couple of years at that leval could set me up for life.
Its a dirty world and some times ya have to get ya hands mucky...when your a working class kid , as I and many elite cyclist, were and are "sport" can , for a very few , offer the chance of wealth most might never get again.
Dont make it right but thats the bottom line.
And there people queing up to make a living off the back of the risks they take..invariably..to date, safely shielded if a possitive comes out but well able to put presures on riders.
For most domstique pro`s its a precarious living with contracts rarely much more than 12 months ahead and in the past often not worth the paper there printed on.
Heres a ickle example of how business was done with Teka.
By March of 89 I`d recieved no wages and was close on skint..went to ride The Tour Of The Basque Region ...and for the first time saw how incredibly fast some riders attacked big climbs and was somewhat startled!.
Was I struggling with poor form? possibly. But after my years of riding ya tend to know when its all your own struggle versus other riders going at a pace you hadnt experianced.
Or had I?..reflection sais I had...During the Coors Classic in 84. By my standards my form was good but the pace there was just another leval.
This was prep for the LA Olympics a couple of weeks later and it`s now well recorded history re the blood doping of the American team and no doupt some others.
...back on to Santader after the race was over I finaly get the chance to try and get some pay...gets called to an office . Handed over half a years sallery in Pessoto Bank notes..rather a lot of em!.
No paperwork , nothing.
Oh the fun I had banking that.

 

[joe_papp]

Maybe you can get Kayle Leogrande's thoughts on the subject...

For that matter, fellow forum member Joe Papp probably has a few thoughts on the subject as well, but may not be in a position to share.

Hi.

There are two riders (+), one currently UCI professional, the other a UCI Elite 2 who is absolutely of professional caliber - without a doubt - he just has a career outside of cycling.

The circumstances for how they came to be (+) are different and unrelated.

Given that they've not been officially named, I won't name them either. Though it is strange how there's been no public notice of the violations.

 

[badboygolf16v]

Though it is strange how there's been no public notice of the violations.

I dunno, they never had a lot to say about Hayles or Wegelius' crits as far as I recall, maybe it's not a surprise..

 

[smaryka]

Hi.

There are two riders (+), one currently UCI professional, the other a UCI Elite 2 who is absolutely of professional caliber - without a doubt - he just has a career outside of cycling.

The circumstances for how they came to be (+) are different and unrelated.

Given that they've not been officially named, I won't name them either. Though it is strange how there's been no public notice of the violations.

Are you talking about riders in the US or UK?

 

[R.0.t.O]

The amateur rider mentioned appears to have been confirmed by a (now ex) teammate on another forum. He's no longer listed as a member of that team - but these aren't professional teams so he won't have been 'sacked' as such. Apparently he didn't request the b sample so dunno why it's not public yet.

The pro rider is supposedly fairly high profile.

 

[Darryl Webster]

Im not that clued up who is with who these days but learning the DS of Rapha is ET aka John Herety kinda makes sence if the current rumour proves true.
Does a Leopard change it`s spots....ner...i didnt think so.

 

[bobbins]

Im not that clued up who is with who these days but learning the DS of Rapha is ET aka John Herety kinda makes sence if the current rumour proves true.
Does a Leopard change it`s spots....ner...i didnt think so.

Unless you know different, it was ET that raised suspicions of the riders performance to BC who called in the testers, not one of ETs riders going positive.

 

[Darryl Webster]

Unless you know different, it was ET that raised suspicions of the riders performance to BC who called in the testers, not one of ETs riders going positive.

Oh blimy..perhaps he has changed his spots then....or is being spiteful.

 

[bobbins]

Oh blimy..perhaps he has changed his spots then....or is being spiteful.

Well he's helped get 1 cheat nailed so can't find fault with him for that.

 

[smaryka]

Any threads naming the guy have been removed on other forums now, but the question remains: if he's waived his right to a B test, why (nearly 3 months later) has there been no official word from British Cycling about the failed test? Will they eventually say something or just sweep it all under the carpet?

As a paying member of BC I feel a bit of dispair. Their conflict of interest with Team Sky is bad enough, but if they can't even be transparent and open about amateur doping positives I hold no hope that anything at the pro level will be properly investigated.

 

[bobbins]

There's rumoured to be 2 positives and not a word from BC on either.

 

[Roland Rat]

Any threads naming the guy have been removed on other forums now, but the question remains: if he's waived his right to a B test, why (nearly 3 months later) has there been no official word from British Cycling about the failed test? Will they eventually say something or just sweep it all under the carpet?

As a paying member of BC I feel a bit of dispair. Their conflict of interest with Team Sky is bad enough, but if they can't even be transparent and open about amateur doping positives I hold no hope that anything at the pro level will be properly investigated.

+1. Part of the punishment of doping (particularly at chipper level) is the naming and shaming, and we also need to know there aren't more being covered up.

I'm pretty disgusted with BC if the rumours of them covering up pro positives are true.

 

[stefrees]

I've managed to work out who it is.

Anyone know what the positive test was for? I presume the higher profile rider isn't still racing?

 

[Roland Rat]

I've managed to work out who it is.

Anyone know what the positive test was for? I presume the higher profile rider isn't still racing?

Apparently EPO and steroids.


There were rumours on another forum yesterday, and that one was quite shocking and unsettling. Fortunately though that was swiftly shot down and dismissed, and it all seems to have gone quiet since.*

*Mr Papp appears to know but isn't spilling the beans.

 

[Mambo95]

Apparently EPO and steroids.

There were rumours on another forum yesterday, and that one was quite shocking and unsettling. Fortunately though that was swiftly shot down and dismissed, and it all seems to have gone quiet since.*

*Mr Papp appears to know but isn't spilling the beans.

I saw a name (for the higher profile rider), and I dare say that you saw the same name, but it was only one person heavily hinting at it. Also, when I really thought about whether it was likely, it just didn't add up in the slightest. I'm putting it down as a baseless rumour.

And us Brits are also so utterly incompetent at covering anything up.

 

[Roland Rat]

I saw a name (for the higher profile rider), and I dare say that you saw the same name, but it was only one person heavily hinting at it. Also, when I really thought about whether it was likely, it just didn't add up in the slightest. I'm putting it down as a baseless rumour.

And us Brits are also so utterly incompetent at covering anything up.

Yeah, I'd agree that one was just a baseless rumour and probably has no substance to it. The thing is, no matter how unlikely it is, you just never know with cycling. That's part of the danger of bandying about rumours in this sport, the suspicion will always linger.