UK EPO Positives

[bobbins]

Take those three names and combine it with an earlier link about looking at Joe Papps' results and you may have your answer.

Interesting though, I thought this guy had been targeted for testing because of Rutland, not having failed a test there...not heard anything about the first race.

It was because of his result in the Jock Wadley that Dan Staite was target tested. Anyone have any ideas if the results are out yet?

 

[Roland Rat]

It was because of his result in the Jock Wadley that Dan Staite was target tested. Anyone have any ideas if the results are out yet?

Well, rumour has it that he has admitted doping but UK drugs won't release details until their procedures have been completed. What this means, no-one seems to be sure. IMO it means "wait until the TdF is over so not to tarnish anythink Sky/Wiggins achieve there".


Joe, is it safe to assume your friend bought his products from you? If so, how come it took a UK DS to raise suspicion and it didn't come out of your assistance to the Feds? Not withholding information to protect your friends, are you?

 

[euanli]

http://concept2.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5939&start=0

A lot of his posts seem to have been edit 20 minutes ago

 

[nevada]

Jamcaican athletics was facing a new crisis of credibility on Thursday night after it was reported that Shelly-Ann Fraser, the world and Olympic 100 metres champion, had tested positive for a banned drug.

So this positive was at the end of may and we now know the result.

Maybe there are no uk positives.

 

[bobbins]

I know of someone who called British Cycling to ask about testing at the recent televised criterium series and they were very defensive. Claiming they have only had 2 positives in the past 10 years. You're going to have a low positive count if you don't test, especially at a crit series where the pros are practically rattling round!!

 

[euanli]

http://new.britishcycling.org.uk/road/article/roa20100729-Statement--Rider-Suspended-for-Doping-0

Boom!

 

[Benotti69]

"British Cycling has today confirmed that Dan Staite, a competitive cyclist unattached to a team, has been suspended from all competition for two years following an anti-doping rule violation. The period of ineligibility runs from 1 May 2010 until 1 May 2012. "

when did he last race? Hardly 2 years if he is banned from july, after racing may, june and most of july

 

[euanli]

He hasn't raced since end of March or early April I think

 

[Benotti69]

He hasn't raced since end of March or early April I think

is that because he was informed of his positive? Probably!

 

[Roland Rat]

Joe, is it safe to assume your friend bought his products from you? If so, how come it took a UK DS to raise suspicion and it didn't come out of your assistance to the Feds? Not withholding information to protect your friends, are you?

 

[durianrider]

Roland Green? The xc world champ that went AWOL.

 

[straydog]

He hasn't raced since then because he was informed of his A fail....and didn't ask for B sample confirmation.


I somehow think even Dan wouldn't have had the balls to turn up at races and try to ride Kris Haus off his wheel with that hanging over his head.

 

[Roland Rat]

http://www.ukad.org.uk/news/intelligence-finding

Following corroboration and research by UK Anti-Doping’s intelligence unit, target testing was subsequently carried out which resulted in the positive finding leading to the two-year ban.

Joe, given the above and your recent tweets, I owe you an apology for questioning your independence from your former friends. It appears I was wrong to do so and I apologise.

UK Anti-Doping argued for increasing the ban to 4 years due to the aggravated circumstances of the case. In this instance, whilst the Panel sympathised with UK Anti-Doping they decided against doing so on this occasion.

That's a shame. It would have been a better message had a subsequent refusal for a blood test and refusal to assist had led to a longer ban. As it is, he's showing no remorse whatsoever and has already stated on another forum that he intends to return to rowing in two years. Have to assume he'll return to cycling then, too.

 

[Animal]

What a tw*t!

And I've heard through some racing acquaintances that the guy is a tool.

I hope he's ostracized at races.

 

[Roland Rat]

What a tw*t!

And I've heard through some racing acquaintances that the guy is a tool.

I hope he's ostracized at races.

If he does come back then I hope that either:

A) organisers use their discretion and reject his entries;
b) in RRs, pelotons go Simeoni on him; or
c) pelotons put him in the ditch.

In two years' time I should be back to 1st cat standard so would happily do B should I ever race against him.

 

[bobbins]

You can bet that he's not the only one doing it in the UK and as far as things go, BC aren't too fussed about clamping down on it. Doesn't put the sport in a good light really does it?

Let him do the time and come back and if he wants to, let him race. Doesn't bother me. If you don't like the fact that he can come back, choose a sport with lifetime bans.

As it is, there's a guy in Wales who killed 2 bike riders driving in icy conditions with bald tyres and got a driving ban and a fine. Sort of puts things into perspective doesn't it?

It's only a sport / hobby for most so stop getting so Daily Mail about things.

 

[SaftyCyclist]

He's making a total danstaite of this on a PR front, what an idiot.


http://concept2.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21213&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=45
Thats not to say the concept 2 community isn't full of nice genuine people, to the contrary. It's a shame the minority spoil it for the majority. But here we are.
Keep up the good work. All this is the perfect ammunition for my return.

All the best
Dan

 

[joe_papp]

Joe, is it safe to assume your friend bought his products from you? If so, how come it took a UK DS to raise suspicion and it didn't come out of your assistance to the Feds? Not withholding information to protect your friends, are you?

No it's not safe to assume that, and why would you assume that anyway, or expect me to reveal any critical information on a public forum? There's a big difference between trying to help keep the cycling public factually and correctly informed of situations of mutual interest that affect the viability of the sport, and inappropriately (and perhaps illegally) releasing sensitive and/or privileged information.

I don't know who you are, but I find your suggestion that I would withhold evidence - which is a crime - to be absolutely repugnant and idiotic.

 

[smaryka]

No it's not safe to assume that, and why would you assume that anyway, or expect me to reveal any critical information on a public forum? There's a big difference between trying to help keep the cycling public factually and correctly informed of situations of mutual interest that affect the viability of the sport, and inappropriately (and perhaps illegally) releasing sensitive and/or privileged information.

I don't know who you are, but I find your suggestion that I would withhold evidence - which is a crime - to be absolutely repugnant and idiotic.

Go back a few posts for his apology, http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=304568&postcount=88

 

[El Pistolero]

I'm not really sure I can, as the person I think it is is so obscure that if you don't know the UK scene I'd have to just give you his name, and even then you'd just think "Who?"! Besides, it seems a but unfair to name an amateur when we're not sure it's him. Pro's are fair game but amateurs are real people.

I wouldn't give too much thought to it though. If it's who I think it is, it's not that interesting. You probably have never heard of him, he's not an up and coming youngster, I don't think he's ever ridden for GB, he's not even elite level... it's just so mundane that you wonder why he even bothered.

"They(professional cyclists) give off the image of exceptional men but in fact they are very, very ordinary. Simple people without much education, who aren't fun to eat with (pas très rigilos à table), who don't get into intellectual discussions. All they have in life is cycling. Without that, it's finished."

Guess who I quoted?

 

[Roland Rat]

No it's not safe to assume that, and why would you assume that anyway, or expect me to reveal any critical information on a public forum? There's a big difference between trying to help keep the cycling public factually and correctly informed of situations of mutual interest that affect the viability of the sport, and inappropriately (and perhaps illegally) releasing sensitive and/or privileged information.

I don't know who you are, but I find your suggestion that I would withhold evidence - which is a crime - to be absolutely repugnant and idiotic.

I trust you also read the later apology.

 

[straydog]

No it's not safe to assume that, and why would you assume that anyway, or expect me to reveal any critical information on a public forum? There's a big difference between trying to help keep the cycling public factually and correctly informed of situations of mutual interest that affect the viability of the sport, and inappropriately (and perhaps illegally) releasing sensitive and/or privileged information.

I don't know who you are, but I find your suggestion that I would withhold evidence - which is a crime - to be absolutely repugnant and idiotic.

or expect me to reveal any critical information on a public forum?....but cryptic comments about individuals' reasons for hospitilisation are to be expected?....(if I have misunderstood the implication then I apologise)

I agree with a lot , though not all, of what you have said on these threads Joe. And I suspect, like you, I have felt slightly uncomfortable with some of what was being posted about Dan Staite prior to the confirmation of his fail, and the online witch hunt which has rapidly descended.
I am interested, however, if from your experience of having raced with and known Dan, your opinion of him has changed since what has happened has come to light and his reaction to it?

Personally, even though on the very few occasions I have had any form of contact with him (and i don't claim to know him at all well), I have always thought he was a bit of a tool. I feel sympathy for him now though, and hope he manages as best as he can in what will undoubedtly be a very difficult time for him.

To those who ask will he be chased down?....and spat at when he returns?....well for those he was racing against who were and are on the juice too....I very much doubt they will be reacting like that...and for those who weren't and are angry at what he has been doing, and feel you want to make a point....if you can keep up with him....I suggest your energy would be better spent trying to cross the line ahead of him....because somehow, i think that will upset him much more.

 

[joe_papp]

or expect me to reveal any critical information on a public forum?....but cryptic comments about individuals' reasons for hospitilisation are to be expected?....(if I have misunderstood the implication then I apologise)

Just a suggestion for the inquisitive to follow-up on...nothing about it intended to by cryptic. If anyone other than Bahati, his doctors and the government knew all the details, it's a safe bet to assume that the Daily News would have reported on it.

Regardless, what's to be expected is that I won't reveal details of my participation in any investigations (ongoing or completed), until such time as that can be done w/o jeopardizing the success of said investigations, or putting at risk my safety.

I agree with a lot , though not all, of what you have said on these threads Joe. And I suspect, like you, I have felt slightly uncomfortable with some of what was being posted about Dan Staite prior to the confirmation of his fail, and the online witch hunt which has rapidly descended.
I am interested, however, if from your experience of having raced with and known Dan, your opinion of him has changed since what has happened has come to light and his reaction to it?

No, my opinion of Dan hasn't changed, and I'm not sure why you think it would have. I'm not offended by your question or anything like that, but it just doesn't resonate with me. Ultimately, who knows why people do what they do? How do you explain a guy like Randall "Duke" Cunningham, the US Navy's last fighter "Ace"? Loyal patriot, public servant, and convicted of conspiracy to commit bribery, mail fraud, wire fraud and tax evasion.

Maybe Dan just wanted to see what the absolute limit of his physical performance was (w/ the aid of doping products, I mean). He's an engineer, after all. In that case he might have half-expected to be caught.

On the other hand, my opinion of Steven Cozza has certainly changed now that I see he advocated summary execution of dopers, and expressed a willingness to participate in the firing squad. Talk about a tool.

 

[euanli]

I've had words with Cozza on his stance on doping. His is aggressively anti doping, but kept complaining about being tested. Seems to have stopped that now though.

 

[Roland Rat]

Staite has replied on another forum:

http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=48820

Performances tainted:

Hainult RC Hilly: I went off course, pNut Won. Justice served
Spring Chicken: 12th
Jock Wadley: 2nd

All the rest were 100% me

Ah, the old "I the only times I did it I was caught".

IMHO, big hairy bull pelotas.