Ullrich confessed

[kungzlatan]

Ulle, you liar...
His blood was already in Fuentes fridge in 2004, just see Tomo IV of OP in the usada files.

ready the article he says he first used fuentes "help" in 2003 but first meet him in 2006.

 

[Gregga]

Sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was a typo of me!!!! April 2003 the article says, sorry!!!!

That's very consistent with his performance improvement in 2003

 

[kungzlatan]

!!!!!http://www.zeit.de/2013/27/doping-jan-ullrich/seite-1 !!!!!

Very interesting interview in the German newspaper Zeit!!!!!!!!

In the year 2007 Ullrich did a very long interview in which he told everything about his doping career!!! He didn't take any money for it, he wanted to help cycling.
His ****ing dickheads of laywers pressured him not to release it in the last minutes
What a shame, life would have been so much better for Jan if it was published. His reputation would be so much higher today.

Interesting facts:

Ullrich started doping in 1996. He didn't take anything before 1996.
He was clean in Sydney!!!
He first worked with Fuentes in April of 2003.

Damn it would be so interesting to read that whole thing!

it´s only a matter of time till we know everything.

 

[webvan]

Interesting, but it seems a little bit "convenient" that he didn't dope for the 2000 Olympics...

 

[kungzlatan]

Interesting, but it seems a little bit "convenient" that he didn't dope for the 2000 Olympics...

maybe it was to big risk to bring the doping to sydney? the blood must be stored at right temperatures etc.

 

[manafana]

yeah he didnt dope during the olympics, but everything he had done before had helped up his level anyway, and help how much he could train.

 

[kungzlatan]

yeah he didnt dope during the olympics, but everything he had done before had helped up his level anyway, and help how much he could train.

lance was very weak that olympic if you compare to the tdf 2000

maybe they were afraid of some new test?

 

[Race Radio]

lance was very weak that olympic if you compare to the tdf 2000

maybe they were afraid of some new test?

The EPO test was first used at the 2000 Olympics.

He says he did not dope before turning Pro. Certainly possible. Much of the East German system was dismantled by then. It would also add credence to the fact he responded better then most to a doping program. It explains his metamorphoses from a talented rouleur to one of the greatest climbers in the world in 18 months

 

[andy1234]

The EPO test was first used at the 2000 Olympics.

He says he did not dope before turning Pro. Certainly possible. Much of the East German system was dismantled by then. It would also add credence to the fact he responded better then most to a doping program. It explains his metamorphoses from a talented rouleur to one of the greatest climbers in the world in 18 months

Ullrich was a part of the same sports school as Voigt.
The system was still in place at the time they joined, up until 91. By which time the relationship with coaches etc, was firmly established.

I'm a big Ulrich fan, but its unlikely he came out of that system clean.

 

[Il piccolo principe]

That goes along with the statements of Pevenage. Ullrich tried to compete clean after Festina. (without EPO and after the Vuelta at least) But without Epo he had no chance against Armstrong. He was beaten ridiculously by Armstrong in the Tour 2001, although he was in a fabulous shape that year. As a result he trained in the following winter like a maniac (definitely too much), which was the reason for his injured knee. After that he realized: If he wanted to win the Tour once more, he would have had to take some stuff. Because he had no protection (like Lance) and there was a test of EPO(which was probably the reason why he stopped Epo (even more than Festina)), he had only one chance: taking a few blood bags each year and went to Fuentes.

 

[Il piccolo principe]

I'm a big Ulrich fan, but its unlikely he came out of that system clean.

Even D'Hondt told the the court in Germany few moth ago (court case in Hamburg against "Der Spiegel") that Ullrich started doping as a rider of Telekom.

Ullrich was very young in the DDR, too young to take part in a doping programm. (at least in cycling, in other sports it is a little bit different) And after the fall of the wall he immediately changed places and went to the western part to Hamburg.

There is (and also was) no need for doping in amateur races. A big talent can (and could) even win against other dopers in the amateur scene. He won the bronze medal in the TT in 1994 clean, that was a crazy performance and shows us his big talent.

 

[Race Radio]

Ullrich was a part of the same sports school as Voigt.
The system was still in place at the time they joined, up until 91. By which time the relationship with coaches etc, was firmly established.

I'm a big Ulrich fan, but its unlikely he came out of that system clean.

Not exactly.

The system was already being dismantled when Jan was 14 years old. The head of the doping program was pushed out even prior to reunification. Funding hardly existed after the 88 Olympics. Most of the coaches left to find jobs outside of Germany. The dismantling of the system was evident in the medal count. At the 1988 Olympics East Germany won 102 medals. In 1996 the Unified German team, both East and West, only won 65.

 

[kungzlatan]

The EPO test was first used at the 2000 Olympics.

He says he did not dope before turning Pro. Certainly possible. Much of the East German system was dismantled by then. It would also add credence to the fact he responded better then most to a doping program. It explains his metamorphoses from a talented rouleur to one of the greatest climbers in the world in 18 months

if he first started to dope in 96 he still broke some records on mountains in 95 (after not get a place in the tdf team). So if he tells the truth now he must hade some talent in the mountains also

 

[Il piccolo principe]

D'Hondt told the court that Ullrich started doping in 1995. So it is possible that he started doping in the late of 1995. But I think it is not really important, if it's 95 or 96. His first big result was the Tour 96, I think this is the race Jan is referring to, when he insists that he started doping in 1996.

 

[andy1234]

Not exactly.

The system was already being dismantled when Jan was 14 years old. The head of the doping program was pushed out even prior to reunification. Funding hardly existed after the 88 Olympics. Most of the coaches left to find jobs outside of Germany. The dismantling of the system was evident in the medal count. At the 1988 Olympics East Germany won 102 medals. In 1996 the Unified German team, both East and West, only won 65.

Being dismantled, yes. dismantled, no.
Some of the sports schools were running as normal up until the early 90s.

This isn't guess work from me, this is directly from riders I know who went to KJS. Some of the coaching staff and athletes maintained their relationships long after the school closed.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

D'Hondt told the court that Ullrich started doping in 1995. So it is possible that he started doping in the late of 1995. But I think it is not really important, if it's 95 or 96. His first big result was the Tour 96, I think this is the race Jan is referring to, when he insists that he started doping in 1996.

Jeffke was also not known to Peter Weibel I guess.

http://cyclingheroes.tripod.com/cyclingheroes.english2/id615.html

Always funny, that starting point of riders dopage. Be honest for once.

 

[Race Radio]

Being dismantled, yes. dismantled, no.
Some of the sports schools were running as normal up until the early 90s.

This isn't guess work from me, this is directly from riders I know who went to KJS. Some of the coaching staff and athletes maintained their relationships long after the school closed.

The dismantling I was referring to was to the state sponsored doping program, not the schools themselves. It was dismantled and people went to great lengths to pretend it never existed

 

[Granville57]

At the 1988 Olympics East Germany won 102 medals. In 1996 the Unified German team, both East and West, only won 65.

More beer = less medals.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

The dismantling I was referring to was to the state sponsored doping program, not the schools themselves. It was dismantled and people went to great lengths to pretend it never existed

Yep, ask Katrin Krabbe, Gritt Breuer. Doping stopped with the fall of the Berlin Wall RR...

Public opinion changed around 1992 in Germany when the full impact of the DDR dope came out.

Weibel never stopped though. And he was no DDR man. Give Sinkewitz a ring.

 

[andy1234]

Yep, ask Katrin Krabbe, Gritt Breuer. Doping stopped with the fall of the Berlin Wall RR...

Public opinion changed around 1992 in Germany when the full impact of the DDR dope came out.

Weibel never stopped though. And he was no DDR man. Give Sinkewitz a ring.

If anyone hasn't seen the documentary State Plan 14:25, it is uncomfortable viewing, but worth watching.
It's would be difficult to feel anything but pity for the athletes who were brought up in that regime.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

If anyone hasn't seen the documentary State Plan 14:25, it is uncomfortable viewing, but worth watching.
It's would be difficult to feel anything but pity for the athletes who were brought up in that regime.

Nice, thanks for that one Andy.

Dont forget the Russians.
Blooddoping [maybe EPO allready] in Calgary, Alfa Lum in 1989-1990, with Ugromov etc etc.

Ekimov coming from the same school.

Yep, trully believable performances.

Olaf Ludwig being prepared with EPO for the worlds 1993, no the amateur Ullrich wouldnt be prepared with anything by der Peter Weibel.

And, do note, the DDR preparatore had nice carreers afterwards in several countries.

 

[Race Radio]

Doping stopped with the fall of the Berlin Wall RR...

I did not say it stopped compltetely. Plenty of German athletes still doped, but I doubt there was still a state funded program that was pushed on a 16 year old Ullrich

 

[Zam_Olyas]

State sponsored doping starts early in Germany way back in late 1930's

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...i-by-taking-crystal-meth-tablets-8641079.html

 

[BroDeal]

State sponsored doping starts early in Germany way back in late 1930's

Zyklon B was not much of a performance enhancer.

 

[darwin553]

I hope Ulrich faces the same consequences (in so far as they can be applied) and condemnation as LA has endured. Both peas in an ugly pod.