Team Sky may well realise that in the near future they either win the Tour with Bernal, or they don't win the Tour at all.
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brownbobby said:Team Sky may well realise that in the near future they either win the Tour with Bernal, or they don't win the Tour at all.
gillan1969 said:brownbobby said:Team Sky may well realise that in the near future they either win the Tour with Bernal, or they don't win the Tour at all.
shurley shome mishtake...look at the weight Stannard could shed....there's s climber and GT winner if ever I saw one
plus....some advice from Chris H (excluded from defending his GT title by those pesky MPCC rules)
I'm putting my money on him for Le Tour once 'G's' finished
TEAM SKY where anything is possible..........................
Why? They have won TDF's with 3 riders before, and 2 of those came out of nowhere. They still have a year or 2 with Froome & Thomas, and i'm sure they can find another british cyclist and transform him as well.brownbobby said:Team Sky may well realise that in the near future they either win the Tour with Bernal, or they don't win the Tour at all.
Bardamu said:I once read during the 2012 or 2016 Summer Olympics how Great Britain changed their "Sport development" after the disastrous 1996 Olympics where they just won 1 Gold medal (and were 36th on the medal table). I wonder how the British media would have responded if they read about
how Russia changed their "sport development".
I agree that it mainly has to do with sport funding, but the holier-than-thou approach of most western nations baffles me tbh. If non-western nations would have increased their funding in this way, eyebrows would have been raised and fingers would have been pointed at their government led doping program.argel said:Bardamu said:I once read during the 2012 or 2016 Summer Olympics how Great Britain changed their "Sport development" after the disastrous 1996 Olympics where they just won 1 Gold medal (and were 36th on the medal table). I wonder how the British media would have responded if they read about
how Russia changed their "sport development".
Agree with the sentiment, but there really is very little comparison. Until Labour came to power in 1997, sport funding at every level was largely ignored at a government level.
This should give you a better idea of how dramatically this has changed.
http://www.uksport.gov.uk/our-work/investing-in-sport/historical-funding-figures
That was £5m before 1996...
Forever The Best said:Luke Rowe. Plus, he was a climber in previous PCM's winning mountain stages so he always had the talent. :lol:Brullnux said:All three of those have shown some talent on the road, so no. Has to be a left field choice that nobody can expect, somebody who has shown nothing and will show nothing in terms of climbing talent until the age of 26 or 27, then win.Dekker_Tifosi said:i remember laughing when Sky announced they wanted to win the Tour with a British rider in 5 years time.
It seemed so far fetched with the talent they had at their disposal at that time (climbing wise especially). Now look who's laughing. They now won the Tour with 3 british riders. 2 of them ex-track olympic champions as well. And 1 freak of nature.
Wonder who's next.
Tao?
Stephen Williams?
Or good ol Harry Tanfield?
samhocking said:Forever The Best said:Luke Rowe. Plus, he was a climber in previous PCM's winning mountain stages so he always had the talent. :lol:Brullnux said:All three of those have shown some talent on the road, so no. Has to be a left field choice that nobody can expect, somebody who has shown nothing and will show nothing in terms of climbing talent until the age of 26 or 27, then win.Dekker_Tifosi said:i remember laughing when Sky announced they wanted to win the Tour with a British rider in 5 years time.
It seemed so far fetched with the talent they had at their disposal at that time (climbing wise especially). Now look who's laughing. They now won the Tour with 3 british riders. 2 of them ex-track olympic champions as well. And 1 freak of nature.
Wonder who's next.
Tao?
Stephen Williams?
Or good ol Harry Tanfield?
Pretty obvious Sky is replacing Froome with Bernal in a few years time. You don't sign a super-dom for 5 years and say the following:
“My responsibility as team manager is to look two or three seasons ahead,” Brailsford said when asked about Bernal, before adding: “I’ve already got the team I want in three seasons’ time.
“I’ve searched and searched for the rider that might be the next Chris Froome, who would be our next big leader for Grand Tours. My choice was Bernal, whom we absolutely had to have in the team. He’s our future.”
pastronef said:samhocking said:Forever The Best said:Luke Rowe. Plus, he was a climber in previous PCM's winning mountain stages so he always had the talent. :lol:Brullnux said:All three of those have shown some talent on the road, so no. Has to be a left field choice that nobody can expect, somebody who has shown nothing and will show nothing in terms of climbing talent until the age of 26 or 27, then win.Dekker_Tifosi said:i remember laughing when Sky announced they wanted to win the Tour with a British rider in 5 years time.
It seemed so far fetched with the talent they had at their disposal at that time (climbing wise especially). Now look who's laughing. They now won the Tour with 3 british riders. 2 of them ex-track olympic champions as well. And 1 freak of nature.
Wonder who's next.
Tao?
Stephen Williams?
Or good ol Harry Tanfield?
Pretty obvious Sky is replacing Froome with Bernal in a few years time. You don't sign a super-dom for 5 years and say the following:
“My responsibility as team manager is to look two or three seasons ahead,” Brailsford said when asked about Bernal, before adding: “I’ve already got the team I want in three seasons’ time.
“I’ve searched and searched for the rider that might be the next Chris Froome, who would be our next big leader for Grand Tours. My choice was Bernal, whom we absolutely had to have in the team. He’s our future.”
5 years?
it was 2018-19-20 at first
has Dave B. agreed with Bernal for 2 more years?
Huapango said:Bernal will never be the GC rider for Team Sky in a grand tour. British cycling fans have Trump-voter DNA.
IndianCyclist said:A couple of things went their way. The main obstacle for them was Contador and he got banned in 2010 and was never the same again. The next one was Andy Schleck and he got injured in 2012 and never regained his top form. Cadel was already old. Nibali was young. With a TT loaded GT Wiggins had a great one off chance and won. Froome was an outlier that even Sky did not predict. He came like Genghis Khan from the desert and conquered all before him. But even the British are cold in their reception of him. So he cannot be considered properly a British product. Geraint Thomas though is a complete product of the british cycling school and so what was promised to deliver a TDF winner in 5 years was actually achieved in 9 years.
Are posting in the right thread?hrotha said:Berzin was a very talented track cyclist who excelled in pursuit. Furlan always had class. Colombo was young so a breakthrough was to be expected. Same with Bobrik. If you doubt Argentin's class you know nothing about cycling. Ugrumov had already been up there in GTs before joining the team. Riis actually got worse this year after moving to this team.
Yes, it should read British Sky fans.brownbobby said:Huapango said:Bernal will never be the GC rider for Team Sky in a grand tour. British cycling fans have Trump-voter DNA.
BS. But nice stereotyping
so, you have no doubt bernal will turn into another work horse laboured for the good of british cycling greatness?Saint Unix said:Yeah, the story for now will be that Bernal is their future GC contender. That keeps him happy and willing to fight for the team. When his time actually comes and Froome and Thomas are both in decline due to old age (unless Sky come across Horner's Lazarus Pit) some other random British nobody is going to be better than him and get the nod for team captaincy.
It's unknown, though bernal not winning the tour is more likely him finally doing it at this point whatever team he'll be riding for. otoh, bernal might not have looked so magnificent, if he hadn't performed for sky.Saint Unix said:I have no doubt Bernal will never win the Tour while riding for Team Sky.
This is a good point and kind of takes us back full circle. Winning the Tour is really, really hard. Even for a rider as obviously talented as Bernal - there is absolutely no guarantee he will ever win it. Maybe once every ten years there will be a weak edition, but generally you have to be the best GT rider in the world and on top form, and still avoid bad luck in order to win the Tour.dacooley said:It's unknown, though bernal not winning the tour is more likely him finally doing it at this point whatever team he'll be riding for. otoh, bernal might not have looked so magnificent, if he hadn't performed for sky.Saint Unix said:I have no doubt Bernal will never win the Tour while riding for Team Sky.