US prosecutors drop case against Armstrong/USPS

[Benotti69]

until all his crimes fall under the statute of limitations?

he'll continue to commit these crimes. You dont think he went suddenly, "Man i got away with it, gonna put my head down and get on with a quiet life!"

No, he's gonna be worse than before. I pity the Ironman fans.

But he will slip up. They always do in the end.

 

[BotanyBay]

he'll continue to commit these crimes. You dont think he went suddenly, "Man i got away with it, gonna put my head down and get on with a quiet life!"

No, he's gonna be worse than before. I pity the Ironman fans.

But he will slip up. They always do in the end.

Nah, he just has the usual feeling of entitlement. You know, the whole "Pro Cycling is really, really tough" story combined with the "Everyone is doing it, so why not do it BETTER?" story. The same story the other dopers use to prop themselves up. It's the story he feeds to himself, and the story he'll use when he finally ends up having to own his past.

 

[skippy]

Iker_B. has correctly forecast the future ! No longer any interest in reading regurgerated trash about LA !
Game , Set , Match !
As they say " Move along folks , no longer anything to see here !

 

[Benotti69]

Iker_B. has correctly forecast the future ! No longer any interest in reading regurgerated trash about LA !
Game , Set , Match !
As they say " Move along folks , no longer anything to see here !

Still plenty left in the ongoing saga.

But since you are moving along, you take care d'you hear

 

[sars1981]

I have a feeling Novitzky just run out of funding. He probably didn't have an air tight case, or enough non-circumstantial evidence, or whatever they needed to justify continuing spending money. If I had to be completely objective, and put my desire to see lance go down aside, I have to admit it was a colossal waste of money prosecuting an athlete for drug cheating, when there are cancer patients being denied treatment because of lack of $$$$$ ( a disparity Lance and his groupies exploited to the max ).

Oh well.

 

[Velodude]

I have a feeling Novitzky just run out of funding. He probably didn't have an air tight case, or enough non-circumstantial evidence, or whatever they needed to justify continuing spending money. If I had to be completely objective, and put my desire to see lance go down aside, I have to admit it was a colossal waste of money prosecuting an athlete for drug cheating, when there are cancer patients being denied treatment because of lack of $$$$$ ( a disparity Lance and his groupies exploited to the max ).

Oh well.

Your right. Novitzky could never win as drug cheating is not a Federal crime

 

[joe_papp]

I have a feeling Novitzky just run out of funding. He probably didn't have an air tight case, or enough non-circumstantial evidence, or whatever they needed to justify continuing spending money.

Please don't take my response as being dismissive of you personally in any way, but I can assure you that it wasn't in any way a question of Jeff not having the funding to continue, and regardless, the operating budgets that pay the cost of prosecuting the case aren't the same ones that pay the cost of investigating it, especially as you had multiple agencies involved. Yes, ultimately it's all federal tax dollars but this case wasn't shelved b/c there wasn't enough money.

Cheers.

 

[Polish]

For some it is impossible to comprehend that there was TRULY insufficient evidence to indict, let alone convict.
Not insufficient money. Not insufficient this or insufficient that.
Insufficient EVIDENCE.

Sure, there was and is PLENTY of SSDD.
But what good is SSDD?
SSDD and $3 will get you a Michelon Ultra.
Thats how good SSDD is lol.

 

[9000ft]

For some it is impossible to comprehend that there was TRULY insufficient evidence to indict, let alone convict.
Not insufficient money. Not insufficient this or insufficient that.
Insufficient EVIDENCE.

Sure, there was and is PLENTY of SSDD.
But what good is SSDD?
SSDD and $3 will get you a Michelon Ultra.
Thats how good SSDD is lol.

Polish, the faithful here have moved on from the Federal phase of the holy war of bringing down Mr. Armstrong. It was a speed bump but you can't keep good men down. They have now changed hands in the circle and it's all about civil suits that will undoubtedly bare Mr. Armstrong's tawdry and corrupt personal and business life for all to see. Not to mention the slam dunk investigation that the USADA will be conducting with the mountains of evidence that the Feds didn't have the guts to use. (the USADA is beyond the influence of Mr. Armstrong's powerful political connections)

Make no mistake, with every stroke, the faithful become more confident that justice will prevail and Lance Armstrong is going down.

 

[sars1981]

Please don't take my response as being dismissive of you personally in any way, but I can assure you that it wasn't in any way a question of Jeff not having the funding to continue, and regardless, the operating budgets that pay the cost of prosecuting the case aren't the same ones that pay the cost of investigating it, especially as you had multiple agencies involved. Yes, ultimately it's all federal tax dollars but this case wasn't shelved b/c there wasn't enough money.

Cheers.

Fair enough. I was just operating on a hunch, a guess basically.

Can you give me the two line summary of the actual why it was shelved? (sorry I haven't been following closely)

 

[Merckx index]

For some it is impossible to comprehend that there was TRULY insufficient evidence to indict, let alone convict.

Since you have been following the case closely, I assume you know that these “some” include the lawyers who were actually working on the case, and in the best position to know. News reports have been pretty unanimous in saying they believed there was enough evidence to indict. No offense,Polish, but I think they know more about the status of the evidence than you do. In fact, if you believe in the ham sandwich view, once a GJ investigation is opened, it’s highly likely that there will be enough evidence to indict. Cases don’t even get to the GJ stage unless it's anticipated that there will be.

Now there might well not have been enough evidence to convict. Just as there wasn’t enough evidence to convict OJ of murder. Which means he didn’t do it, right? Or enough evidence to convict Capone of anything but tax evasion. Which means he was just a poor slob who neglected to file all the right forms and was harassed by the government, right?

Make no mistake, with every stroke, the people with a conscience retain hope that justice will prevail and Lance Armstrong will be treated in the same way as all his TDF podium contemporaries were.

Fixed that for you.

 

[BotanyBay]

Fair enough. I was just operating on a hunch, a guess basically.

Can you give me the two line summary of the actual why it was shelved? (sorry I haven't been following closely)

Line 1: Politics.
Line 2: An election-year prosecution of a national hero.

Joe knows (better than anyone here) that the resources of the Federal government might not be endless, but (to a defendant with a bank account) those resources can certainly SEEM endless. God help you if you ever end up on the receiving end of a Federal indictment. Your focus should be on negotiating the best possible guilty plea (for you) that you can.

The Feds hate to lose, and they'll outspend you to ensure that they don't. They almost never DO lose. The conviction rates are extremely high (over 95%).

 

[Polish]

Fair enough. I was just operating on a hunch, a guess basically.

Can you give me the two line summary of the actual why it was shelved? (sorry I haven't been following closely)

Line 1: Insufficient
Line 2: Evidence

 

[Polish]

Since you have been following the case closely, I assume you know that these “some” include the lawyers who were actually working on the case, and in the best position to know. News reports have been pretty unanimous in saying they believed there was enough evidence to indict. No offense,Polish, but I think they know more about the status of the evidence than you do. In fact, if you believe in the ham sandwich view, once a GJ investigation is opened, it’s highly likely that there will be enough evidence to indict. Cases don’t even get to the GJ stage unless it's anticipated that there will be.
.

I am agreeing with you.

Like I said, for some it is impossible to comprehend that there was TRULY insufficient evidence to indict, let alone convict.

Yes, some of those "somes" are lawyers who were paid to come up with evidence. They are in denial like the other "somes". Super denial them guys.
Cover thy butowski denial.

And you have to remember, this "ham sandwich" did NOT start out with Lance on the bun. He was an extra ingredient added later. Maybe the Feds should have just stayed with the ham instead of getting all fancy with extra seasonings and secret sauces.

And Lance has not been treated like the others?
Who else has faced endless SSDD and a Federal Investigation?
Was Lance given immunity?
So I agree with you again. Lance has not been treated like any other.
Waa. Grrr. Lol.

 

[goober]

Fair enough. I was just operating on a hunch, a guess basically.

Can you give me the two line summary of the actual why it was shelved? (sorry I haven't been following closely)

Line1: Internal Corruption
Line2: (empty)

 

[Merckx index]

I am agreeing with you.

Like I said, for some it is impossible to comprehend that there was TRULY insufficient evidence to indict, let alone convict.

Yes, some of those "somes" are lawyers who were paid to come up with evidence. They are in denial like the other "somes". Super denial them guys.
Cover thy butowski denial.

By this logic, I could argue that there is no violence against ordinary citizens going on in Syria. All the people who are in the best position to know are in denial. Obviously it’s in their self-interest to say ordinary citizens are targeted, but those of us who are not over there know better. Why do we know better? Because some higher-ups in Syria say so. The higher-ups say, get your reporters out of here, they don’t understand the real situation, which is that there is nothing here but some trouble-makers spoiling our paradise. Let’s believe the higher-ups.

And you have to remember, this "ham sandwich" did NOT start out with Lance on the bun. He was an extra ingredient added later. Maybe the Feds should have just stayed with the ham instead of getting all fancy with extra seasonings and secret sauces.

But he wouldn’t have been added later unless he was considered just as indictable as those the investigation initially focused on. And by the way, whatever happened to Michael Ball and Rock Racing? I guess we found out they are pure as the driven snow, too, huh? Ball was subjected to the same process as LA, and emerged just as unscathed. Awesome, that Michael Ball. Does it all legally, despite what all his haters say.

And Lance has not been treated like the others?
Who else has faced endless SSDD and a Federal Investigation?

Jan Ullrich. Who, unlike LA, never tested positive for a PE drug.

 

[Race Radio]

Line1: Internal Corruption
Line2: (empty)

hay, Goober is changing his tune. Are you saying Borat is corrupt?

 

[Polish]

hay, Goober is changing his tune. Are you saying Borat is corrupt?

The corruption is not on the Lance side of the equation.
But I am not going to go there yikes.

I'm sticking to the Insufficient Evidence routine.
It is true after all.
Not saying the leaky witch hunt wasn't true.
Or not illegal.
Just going to stick with Insufficient Evidence truth.

 

[Polish]

Jan Ullrich. Who, unlike LA, never tested positive for a PE drug.

Yes, Jan and Lance have a lot in common in the Witch Hunt Department.
So ok, I will give you Jan.
But nobody has been subjected to witch hunts like Lance and Jan.

Although the evidence against Jan was very sufficient.
Not Insufficient
Smoking DNA fingerprints all over the doping guns for Jan.
But still hounded and hunted very unfairly.
It was SAD. Still is.

 

[goober]

hay, Goober is changing his tune. Are you saying Borat is corrupt?

No that is not what I am saying .

 

[Cal_Joe]

hay, Goober is changing his tune. Are you saying Borat is corrupt?

Internal corruption could be a descriptor for:

A) Questionable actions by investigator(s) involved in this investigation who in the past have been slapped by Federal judges for actions regarding an unwarranted search that was termed "a callous disregard" for civil rights.

B) Those damn leaks.

C) Things you don't want to think about.

D) All of the above

 

[Race Radio]

No that is not what I am saying .

Who is corrupt? Holder? Breuer?

 

[Race Radio]

Internal corruption could be a descriptor for:


B) Those damn leaks.

Leaks? Example?

 

[Race Radio]

http://competitorradio.competitor.com/2012/03/mark-zeigler-4/

Mark Zeigler talks about Ryan Braun, doping, and Armstrong.

Was very surprised case was dropped because huge amount of evidence. Thinks it was dropped because of political reasons. Agents never consulted, indictments were recommended, Grand Jury was convinced......Borat just dropped it.

Goober claims corruption, perhaps all the way to the top

 

[Race Radio]

http://competitorradio.competitor.com/2012/03/mark-zeigler-4/

Mark Zeigler talks about Ryan Braun, doping, and Armstrong.

Was very surprised case was dropped because huge amount of evidence. Thinks it was dropped because of political reasons. Agents never consulted, indictments were recommended, Grand Jury was convinced......Borat just dropped it.

Goober claims corruption, perhaps all the way to the top

Thanks for that link, Great interview

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