US prosecutors drop case against Armstrong/USPS

[MarkvW]

Great work by Fabiani and Lehane. Worth every penny.

Still have the Qui Tam case. Ferrari is still going to prison. USADA is still in play.

Money and power

PROOF you silly boy! You sincerely think they started this investigation that grievously damaged Armstrong just so they could let him off later? They couldn't get the proof. It's not about what he did or didn't do. It's about the admissible evidence they could bring in front of a jury--that's it.

The scumbags sometimes get away, dude.

 

[patricknd]

I think you are pretty far off on that comment though.

i wasn't saying that in a mean way, i feel for him

 

[DirtyWorks]

If any one of those premises are true, it's far sadder for democracy than a corrupt cyclist getting away with stuff. I'd much prefer if there's not much evidence or that he's actually innocent of all the alleged charges.

It's still a Democracy. People still vote for stuff. It's just that before the voting the issues are bought and sold. This is what 'light touch' Capitalism produces. Welcome to America.

 

[The Hitch]

Classy unfortunatly does not mean justice, I'm definitely not a fan of Contador but the man has class. But being classy unfortunatly doesn't mean someone is clean.

Dude you I know Contador aint clean

But if the bad guy can get off from all Armstrong had thrown out him, I kinda hope Contador can get off for 1pct clenbuterol.

 

[ChrisE]

Chris for once you just made me laugh out loud!

it's not the end of MY life and I heavily have faith in karma.

The amount of karma one endures is indirectly proportional to the amount of money, power, and fame they have. And, I don't believe LA got to somebody in the govt. that squashed this. Too many people talk.

I think the feds started to realize what I have been saying all along....pretty hard to piece all of this together to successfully prosecute somebody like LA.

 

[MarkvW]

No Lance is neither guilty or not guilty. The only outcomes from a trial in front of his peers.

As this was the decision of the prosecutors and not from a deliberation of the Grand Jury the directive must have come from inside the DoJ.

Interesting to hear their reasoning.

Like they're going to tell you their reasoning? Not likely!

 

[lostintime]

Hah .... this is so dang funny... Mr. Clean keeps looking good

 

[Velodude]

You guys just don't get it.

Who is believing in "myth" now? Let go, go get some counselling, have a drink. Sheesh.

If LA does not give characteristic boasting media claims then the fat lady has not even cleared her throat.

No tweets as yet.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

You guys just don't get it.

Who is believing in "myth" now? Let go, go get some counselling, have a drink. Sheesh.

Actually we should do a rollcall - I will buy the first round.
Has anyone heard from Larry since the news broke? Can someone check on him?

 

[Race Radio]

throwing up at the thought of the crow some will want to feed him, i imagine. i don't think too many people saw this coming, and rr least of all.

That Crow tastes good.....Yum, yum.

It is hard not to be impressed by the excellent lobbying job Lehuane on his old friend Lanny Breuer (Head of the Fed's criminal division).

 

[Dr. Maserati]

What I don't get is why USADA cares about what Lance did 5/10years ago. They didn't catch him while he raced in the US so what's their gain in pursuing this? I can see how Fabiani would have a field day with this simple fact in court.

Maybe they should focus on the now and not the past. It just doesn't add up. Is USADA just talking big?

It was pretty evident from USADAs press release:

“Unlike the U.S. Attorney, USADA’s job is to protect clean sport rather than enforce specific criminal laws. Our investigation into doping in the sport of cycling is continuing and we look forward to obtaining the information developed during the federal investigation.”

 

[lostintime]

I mean gee ... I could see this coming like freight train at midnight.

 

[ChrisE]

That Crow tastes good.....Yum, yum.

It is hard not to be impressed by the excellent lobbying job Lehuane on his old friend Lanny Breuer (Head of the Fed's criminal division).

Yes, it must be that. No way it could be that they realized 1 out of 12 people may not believe all of this.

 

[ChrisE]

Actually we should do a rollcall - I will buy the first round.
Has anyone heard from Larry since the news broke? Can someone check on him?

Now that made me LOL. What makes it funnier is that his little meltdown towards you for even suggesting this may not smell right is so fresh.

Cheers.

 

[aphronesis]

That Crow tastes good.....Yum, yum.

It is hard not to be impressed by the excellent lobbying job Lehuane on his old friend Lanny Breuer (Head of the Fed's criminal division).

Didn't you have a post a day or two ago: in response to Polish asking what Clinton had to do with anything, that connected all the dots between LA, Fab, Lehane and Breuer?

Which you ended by saying something to the effect of "connections are not going to be enough?" That post of course building on all the others that talked about no matter the amount of money ****ed out it still wouldn't ward off the damage.

So which is it? Few of those arguing for the current outcome cared one way or the other. It's about the level of irrationality that pervades ninety-five percent of the posts.

 

[MacRoadie]

And thats me done because i have a feeling there is about to be a fanboy invasion by those who cant see the wood for the trees

And why not?

This thread hasn't been about Lance Armstrong for months. Long ago it became more about two polarized schools of thought, both more interested in being right and proving the other wrong (and insulting intelligence, sprinkled with name-calling).

For the past 50 pages, it's gotten even worse. Members who, in principle, agree with each other have been reduced to petty snarking over semantics and perceived innuendo. It's become worse than the meaning of "is". Even an agreement is met with doubt and subjected to dissection for hidden agendas or double meanings. Somewhere it went from disliking someone for disagreeing with you to not liking the way they agreed with you...

I've never been an Armstrong fan, and I'm probably one of the few on here who actually knows people who've had the misfortune to have dealt with Lance, but the fervor with which both sides of this matter have taken up arms left me wishing long ago that it would all be determined far out of the public eye.

I guess my apathy stems from the fact that the decision would not have affected me personally either way. For some on here though, the majority of whom have never met Lance or been affected by his ill treatment of others, every nuance is taken as a personal affront. I'm sure those truly affected by this decision (those people that matter) will address their disappontment in a manner and medium far removed from the CyclingNews forums.

So, let the "fanboys" have their share of the spotlight. There were plenty of "haters" who took an inordinate amount of pleasure in belittling and insulting when they felt they held the high ground.

 

[MarkvW]

Yes, it must be that. No way it could be that they realized 1 out of 12 people may not believe all of this.

Can't expect graciousness from a hater.

 

[The Hitch]

Can the last person out please turn the lights out and shut the door.

1992 election day. The Sun.

 

[Race Radio]

Didn't you have a post a day or two ago: in response to Polish asking what Clinton had to do with anything, that connected all the dots between LA, Fab, Lehane and Breuer?

Which you ended by saying something to the effect of "connections are not going to be enough?" That post of course building on all the others that talked about no matter the amount of money ****ed out it still wouldn't ward off the damage.

So which is it? Few of those arguing for the current outcome cared one way or the other. It's about the level of irrationality that pervades ninety-five percent of the posts.

I was wrong, money was enough to buy his way out of this. Money wins again. Yeah Money!

 

[ferryman]

If CAS was press-savvy, Contador going free would have been released on a Friday. The maybe-Monday thing is still a maybe.

What would USADA get, exactly? A harshly worded letter to Team Wonderboy?

I'm not trying to be obtuse. ASO will ignore any finding from USADA. USAC is owned by Wiesel, so they will make anything up to have it go away. We know the UCI is all-in. USADA is the weird dude talking to himself in the corner.

I'm not sure I follow you but my despair is how far Wonderboy's powers extend. Didn't believe until now. Just why was Contador tested in a lab for Clen in isolation. A lab so beyond the norm to pick up such a piddling amount that no other TDF test lab could pick up. As I said Freakin very unfunny joke.

 

[davestoller]

throwing up at the thought of the crow some will want to feed him, i imagine. i don't think too many people saw this coming, and rr least of all.

Exactly.

Lets all admit it---you guys were wrong.
People have been predicting numerous indictments, jail time, loss of foundation--and none of it, none of it happened.

Now the USADA steps up--not in the AP wire releases I have read, but curiously, in CN...the echo chamber as it is known.
GIve it up guys.
You lost.
Lance won.
As always.
Dont you get it?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Yes, it must be that. No way it could be that they realized 1 out of 12 people may not believe all of this.

You clearly haven't spent much time in Government contracting.

It's pretty easy for Fabiani to go into LeHane's office and share the concerns congress critters (that grant LeHane's budget) have for the appearance of wasting taxpayer money on Wonderboy. That's not illegal. In fact, he's helping him out.

Prosecution may have thought it was a difficult case too. It's just that the scenario I just described is very likely too.

 

[SirLes]

1992 election day. The Sun.

I'd forgotton that! Well remembered.

 

[Altitude]

HAHAHAHAHA. Funny sh!it this forum

 

[python]

did anyone pay attention to big george wanting to retire later and later ?

would he dare w/o the wink from usada ? (wink, wink)

is balance of probabilities harder to prove than beyond reasonable doubt ? (more winks)...answer - if usada thought it was, it would have never spoken up today.

the reason the investigation was closed is still (officially) unclear. we'll probably learn in a day or two.

my hunch is that anyone having the scant familiarity with the us political system should find a rotten apple it is.