US prosecutors drop case against Armstrong/USPS

[Race Radio]

From Tylers twitter (he has already taken it down)

@Ty_Hamilton Are you F ing kidding me !?!

And people wonder why witnesses do not feel comfortable talking to the Feds

 

[DirtyWorks]

Exactly.

Lets all admit it---you guys were wrong.

Now hold on. Many didn't know one way or another and said so. It also doesn't make many of the facts defended regarding Wonderboy wrong.

 

[MarkvW]

I was wrong, money was enough to buy his way out of this. Money wins again. Yeah Money!

You have no rational basis for alleging corruption just like you had no rational basis for asserting that Lance would be charged. Cheer up! Take it as a learning experience.

Think about the damage the SOB took! Everybody with half a brain now knows he doped! Something good did come out of this!

 

[DirtyWorks]

From Tylers twitter (he has already taken it down)



And people wonder why witnesses do not feel comfortable talking to the Feds

He's had to move on from cycling anyway. Why would it matter beyond the obvious reasons many on this thread share?

 

[aphronesis]

I was wrong, money was enough to buy his way out of this. Money wins again. Yeah Money!

It's not about money. And it's not about being right. It's about the integrity with which you frame the situation. I have no desire to sit here and trumpet the outcome (any more than, as Susan disbelieved, I was interested in confrontation.) It is about the relevance of the issues--any issues--and how they're identified with and discussed--ultimately disidentified with.

You remember that mid-century pop-ego-psychology managerial chart that you and some others brandished with sadistic glee? The one that lists the stages of psychic loss? It's a charming relic of another era, but you and some others might want to reference it and the timeline on denial--and then corroborate that with the political realities of the world.

I am going to go have a drink. Last week of winter break.

Good luck with yourself.

 

[ChrisE]

I see Betsy is still in the media screeching. I have heard tapes of what some people claim to be sasquatch sqealing in the night. I can imagine earplugs are required within a mile of her right about now.

http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling...ose-lance-armstrong-doping-case-press-charges

"Our legal system failed us," she said. "This is what happens when you have a lot of money and you can buy attorneys who have people in high places in the Department of Justice."

I sure will be glad when she hits the 16th minute on her fame clock. How can somebody milk something they heard in a hospital room in 1996 be relevant enough to where anybody would give a rats azz what they think?

I think she and RR are the same person. The media should just come cut/paste some of RR's posts in here and attribute them to her.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

updated on velonation

Statute of limitations overruled this week in another case:

In relation to USADA’s vow to dig deeper, the question will naturally be raised as to how far back it will be able to delve and to penalise if it does feel that rules were broken.

Although a statute of limitations of eight years normally applies under the WADA Code, USADA issued a ruling yesterday in relation to the track and field athlete Eddy Hellebuyck which extended further back than this.

He tested positive for EPO in 2004 and served a two year suspension. However information received recently plus his own statements led USADA to conclude that his doping extended back to 2001.

He argued that the statue of limitations prevented further penalty, but the American Arbitration Association (AAA) panel concluded that his previous denials meant this was not the case.

“We are pleased the Panel has upheld the fundamental principle of fairness for clean athletes,” stated Tygart yesterday. “This decision sends a clear message that you can’t use performance enhancing drugs to cheat, conceal your violations, and when the truth is revealed, attempt to hide behind the statute of limitations.”

That ruling may prove relevant in USADA’s ability to fully investigate the USPS team. As for federal agents, though, it appears their delving has come to an end. The various factors in this decision will presumably emerge in time.

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...gUSPS-doping-investigation.aspx#ixzz1lMjxufMK

 

[patricknd]

Exactly.

Lets all admit it---you guys were wrong.
People have been predicting numerous indictments, jail time, loss of foundation--and none of it, none of it happened.

Now the USADA steps up--not in the AP wire releases I have read, but curiously, in CN...the echo chamber as it is known.
GIve it up guys.
You lost.
Lance won.
As always.
Dont you get it?

suddeny i'm in the haters camp, yesterday velodud and larry had me squarely in the fanboy crowd.

speaking of, think those two have offed themselves yet?

 

[patricknd]

I see Betsy is still in the media screeching. I have heard tapes of what some people claim to be sasquatch sqealing in the night. I can imagine earplugs are required within a mile of her right about now.

http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling...ose-lance-armstrong-doping-case-press-charges



I sure will be glad when she hits the 16th minute on her fame clock. How can somebody milk something they heard in a hospital room in 1996 be relevant enough to where anybody would give a rats azz what they think?

I think she and RR are the same person. The media should just come cut/paste some of RR's posts in here and attribute them to her.

come to think of it, you never see them together......

 

[DirtyWorks]

You have no rational basis for alleging corruption...

You don't get out much I see. Get a job in landing government contracts, or spend enough time in Law enforcement and you too will discover the dual currencies of money and power.

You don't even have to go to DC to do it. Get involved in local politics in something like conservation/preservation and you'll see it there too. Try bidding an RFP sometime.

 

[mewmewmew13]

There should be some interesting twitters coming along in the next couple of days.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Exactly.

Lets all admit it---you guys were wrong.
People have been predicting numerous indictments, jail time, loss of foundation--and none of it, none of it happened.

Now the USADA steps up--not in the AP wire releases I have read, but curiously, in CN...the echo chamber as it is known.
GIve it up guys.
You lost.
Lance won.
As always.
Dont you get it?

 

[MarkvW]

You don't get out much I see. Get a job in landing government contracts, or spend enough time in Federal Law enforcement and you too will discover the dual currencies of money and power.

You don't even have to go to DC to do it. Get involved in local politics in something like conservation/preservation and you'll see it there too. Try bidding an RFP sometime.

Ah, it must be corruption in this instance because corruption exists! Understand your reasoning and reject it.

 

[Altitude]

Race Radio won't be able to sleep for the next 6 months.

 

[happychappy]

 

[DirtyWorks]

Ah, it must be corruption in this instance because corruption exists! Understand your reasoning and reject it.

Soo... You are just going to pretend it doesn't happen?

And I'm not saying politics was THE reason it was dropped. My claim it is one of a number of likely valid reasons.

 

[MacRoadie]

Race Radio won't be able to sleep for the next 6 months.

I'm envisioning a ballot measure to remove Tuesday from the calendar.

 

[9000ft]

Absolute bummer.

I really hope this won't be the end of the Lance Armstrong thread. There is so much entertainment here.

Maybe some of the faithful can get together and file some kind of a civil lawsuit.

 

[Nilsson]

From Tylers twitter (he has already taken it down)



And people wonder why witnesses do not feel comfortable talking to the Feds

In the same line of thought. How ironic would it be if USADA, with information obtained during the federal investigation, could make a case against some of the guys that are still riding their bikes (especially Hincapie)?

For Armstrong USADA is (almost certainly) coming too late now, keeping the prescribed period of eight years in mind...

 

[scribe]

The amount of karma one endures is indirectly proportional to the amount of money, power, and fame they have. And, I don't believe LA got to somebody in the govt. that squashed this. Too many people talk.

I think the feds started to realize what I have been saying all along....pretty hard to piece all of this together to successfully prosecute somebody like LA.

Even if they could easily piece it together, could they even show that Lance did damage to the US Postal Service? Does the US Govt want to be involved in sport doping abroad?

And finally....

Where is Race Radio and what does his glorious return hold for the sheep?

and finally finally....

When can the admins unsticky the swarthy threads at the top of this forum? It's about time to move on. The guy doped, but lets put the stiff sticks away. He is getting away with murder.

 

[ChrisE]

In the same line of thought. How ironic would it be if USADA, with information obtained during the federal investigation, could make a case against some of the guys that are still riding their bikes (especially Hincapie)?

For Armstrong USADA is (almost certainly) coming too late now, keeping the prescribed period of eight years in mind...

Bbbbbuuuuuttttt, LA was mean to TH in Cache Cache, when TH was on his way to the toilet. The hawrrrraaa!

Surely this means he is on the hook for eternity. Is LA doomed?

2, 4, 6, 8. Who do we appreciate??!?!?!? USADA!!! USADA!!!

 

[ChrisE]

Even if they could easily piece it together, could they even show that Lance did damage to the US Postal Service? Does the US Govt want to be involved in sport doping abroad?

And finally....

Where is Race Radio and what does his glorious return hold for the sheep?

and finally finally....

When can the admins unsticky the swarthy threads at the top of this forum? It's about time to move on. The guy doped, but lets put the stiff sticks away. He is getting away with murder.

Hi Scribe. I am overcome with coincidence.

 

[eleven]

I was wrong, money was enough to buy his way out of this. Money wins again. Yeah Money!

No, you were just plain wrong. Period.

 

[HL2037]

In the same line of thought. How ironic would it be if USADA, with information obtained during the federal investigation, could make a case against some of the guys that are still riding their bikes (especially Hincapie)?

For Armstrong USADA is (almost certainly) coming too late now, keeping the prescribed period of eight years in mind...

Apparently there is a recent example of dispension from the eight year statue of limitations:

Although a statute of limitations of eight years normally applies under the WADA Code, USADA issued a ruling yesterday in relation to the track and field athlete Eddy Hellebuyck which extended further back than this.

He tested positive for EPO in 2004 and served a two year suspension. However information received recently plus his own statements led USADA to conclude that his doping extended back to 2001.

He argued that the statue of limitations prevented further penalty, but the American Arbitration Association (AAA) panel concluded that his previous denials meant this was not the case.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...Lance-ArmstrongUSPS-doping-investigation.aspx

 

[HL2037]

No, you were just plain wrong. Period.

Having faith in the US legal system might be naïve, but not wrong.

Edit: Period.