USADA-Armstrong Phase II

[Stingray34]

The teams don't drive cycling. The UCI, ASO, and national federations own the sport. The teams are especially weak in cycling compared to other sports (e.g., US football, baseball, hockey, basketball).

The athletes are just disposable gladiators. Lance too, but he was also a bit different. Wiesel let him get close to the big boys. Still he was only ever really a gladiator (and a poster boy).

Lance was unique in the sense he was both the talent and the attack dog, giving all - including Lance himself - the impression he was a creation ex nihilo. He was the gun that richer, smarter and more insidious types aimed and fired.

Why hasn't Weisel and Knaggs uttered a word lately? Do the Champions Club still go for Sunday rides?

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Run well yeh, clean-ish we have no idea although they seem to be genuine about it, unlike the UCI.

They are certainly more transparent.

http://www.powershow.com/view/5bbd2...ing_culture_be_changed_flash_ppt_presentation

 

[ToreBear]

The teams don't drive cycling. The UCI, ASO, and national federations own the sport. The teams are especially weak in cycling compared to other sports (e.g., US football, baseball, hockey, basketball).

The athletes are just disposable gladiators. Lance too, but he was also a bit different. Wiesel let him get close to the big boys. Still he was only ever really a gladiator (and a poster boy).

I was comparing to the FIS sports. Also remember cycling and the FIS sports are individual in nature. You can't really compare them to hockey, baseball et. al.

If we compare XC skiing to cycling, XC have no trade teams. They are run by national federations providing support functions. Skiers don't transfer nationalities. Cyclist change teams.

If all the trade teams dissapeared from top cycling, there would be no cycling to watch during the Tour. So they have influence in the sport.

Also there is alot more money in cycling than in any of the FIS sports.

As for gladiators, yes I agree.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Even if they managed to take out the likes of Hein and the whole top brass of the UCI, that wouldn't accomplish much. The national federations are in it too. We'd just get another Pat.

Well, that's the million Euro question.

I think if they got Schenk(sp???) in Pat's spot and the guy who Lance got fired at ASO for being too anti-doping in Hein's spot at the IOC it would be a start.

Over time, the federations would come around. Especially when Schenk issues the positives like Halloween candy.

 

[ToreBear]

Well, that's the million Euro question.

I think if they got Schenk(sp???) in Pat's spot and the guy who Lance got fired at ASO for being too anti-doping in Hein's spot at the IOC it would be a start.

Over time, the federations would come around. Especially when Schenk issues the positives like Halloween candy.

http://www.olympic.org/mr-hein-verbruggen

From this it looks like Hein is not involved in any of the commisions. It only looks like he is an honorary member. Looks to me like he's more a retired kind of member. His last job was back in 2008.

 

[bigmatt24]

The athletes are just disposable gladiators. Lance too, but he was also a bit different. Wiesel let him get close to the big boys. Still he was only ever really a gladiator (and a poster boy).

Clearly not. Lance was the very definition of "too big to fail." He was much more than a disposable gladiator; he was the golden calf. Or, to take your gladiator analogy, he was the gladiator that the emperor liked well enough to put the fix on in favor of and was therefore never going to be allowed to die. Too bad for the other gladiators pitted against him ...

 

[Epicycle]

http://www.olympic.org/mr-hein-verbruggen

From this it looks like Hein is not involved in any of the commisions. It only looks like he is an honorary member. Looks to me like he's more a retired kind of member. His last job was back in 2008.

Hein's still very involved in the IOC because he runs an organization, Sportaccord, that's responsible for bringing all the different sports federations together to help them harmonize their dealings with the IOC and to help them comply with the regulations of Olympic sport. He's built his own little fiefdom at Sportaccord.

 

[ToreBear]

Hein's still very involved in the IOC because he runs an organization, Sportaccord, that's responsible for bringing all the different sports federations together to help them harmonize their dealings with the IOC and to help them comply with the regulations of Olympic sport. He's built his own little fiefdom at Sportaccord.

"Currently, SportAccord’s focus is on sports’ social responsibility, sports’ integrity, doping-free sport, digital media and multi-sports games."

Wow. That focus with that President does not look good at all.

Having had a quick look, it looks like Hein could be dumped if he is considered a liability by the member federations.

I doubt weather he has pull within the IOC to save his hiny if what we think is true, is true.

 

[LauraLyn]

Clearly not. Lance was the very definition of "too big to fail." He was much more than a disposable gladiator; he was the golden calf. Or, to take your gladiator analogy, he was the gladiator that the emperor liked well enough to put the fix on in favor of and was therefore never going to be allowed to die. Too bad for the other gladiators pitted against him ...

Thanks bigmat, you say it even better.

Still a gladiator. Still disposable (when all is said and done).

 

[Benotti69]

"Currently, SportAccord’s focus is on sports’ social responsibility, sports’ integrity, doping-free sport, digital media and multi-sports games."

Wow. That focus with that President does not look good at all.

Having had a quick look, it looks like Hein could be dumped if he is considered a liability by the member federations.

I doubt weather he has pull within the IOC to save his Heiny if what we think is true, is true.

Fixed free of charge

 

[the big ring]

Also there is (alot more) money in cycling than in any of the FIS sports.

There's your problem!

 

[ToreBear]

Fixed free of charge

Thanks! I knew I missed a funny, just couldn't remember were.

There's your problem!

Yep.

 

[BroDeal]

Dudes, the damage is worse than we thought.

http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/2012/08/armstrongs-marketing-flame-extinguished.html/

"Now he’s ranked 2,192 (out of 2,500 celebrities tracked by the Dallas agency) on par with Michael Bolton."

Michael Bolton! Next up. Vanilla Ice.

 

[BroDeal]

New classic photo of LA.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Watched Rick Horrow's video. "Advertising metrics for brand's likability reveals that 3 times more Americans dislike him than like him" Is this really true?

I surely hope so.

For sure I can't speak for ALL American's, but dislike in that context really fits well. Reading The Mike Anderson Story (thread by The Hog, LINK) really cements that feeling.

Meh, I don't like Michelob either. We used to see Michelob commercials all the time during football broadcasts, which the major brewing companies target heavily for their commercials. I have not seen one Michelob commercial featuring Lance in a very loooooooooong time.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

New classic photo of LA.

PERFECT!

Great signature too, this: "LA now has more testicles than Tour de France titles." -- ST
... but who's ST?

 

[knewcleardaze]

For sure I can't speak for ALL American's, but dislike in that context really fits well. Reading The Mike Anderson Story (thread by The Hog, LINK) really cements that feeling.

Meh, I don't like Michelob either. We used to see Michelob commercials all the time during football broadcasts, which the major brewing companies target heavily for their commercials. I have not seen one Michelob commercial featuring Lance in a very loooooooooong time.

Thankfully those dopey adverts have a short life cycle.
Hopefully there will be far less junk pedaled by LA. in future.

 

[dadane]

Wiggins missed out that year on becoming the first British rider to finish on the podium in Paris when he was fourth in the general classification behind third-placed Armstrong.

Great to see the UK tabloids are doing proper hard-hitting journalism and enlightening the public to the profound consequences of this controversy.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/cycling/lance-armstrong-banned-tour-de-1278142

 

[Benotti69]

Dudes, the damage is worse than we thought.

http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/2012/08/armstrongs-marketing-flame-extinguished.html/

"Now he’s ranked 2,192 (out of 2,500 celebrities tracked by the Dallas agency) on par with Michael Bolton."

Michael Bolton! Next up. Vanilla Ice.

I think you might really mean MC Hammer.

 

[LauraLyn]

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Wiggins missed out that year on becoming the first British rider to finish on the podium in Paris when he was fourth in the general classification behind third-placed Armstrong.

Great to see the UK tabloids are doing proper hard-hitting journalism and enlightening the public to the profound consequences of this controversy.

Funny that Wiggins doesn't seem interested in that podium place.

 

[jackwolf]

Dudes, the damage is worse than we thought.

http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/2012/08/armstrongs-marketing-flame-extinguished.html/

"Now he’s ranked 2,192 (out of 2,500 celebrities tracked by the Dallas agency) on par with Michael Bolton."

Michael Bolton! Next up. Vanilla Ice.

And the United States Department of Agriculture refuse to stop meddling.

 

[webvan]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sheryl-crow-questioned-in-federal-armstrong-investigation

Sheryl spilled some beans ? Source is Tyler's book apparently.

CN really seem to be taking Tyler's word for gospel...good.

BTW who did Landis say he picked up a package with drugs from, was it from Kristin? Couldn't have been Sheryl for sure.

EDIT : yes, that was Kristin, but she was just there, didn't actually give the package.

Landis gave this description of an alleged encounter with Armstrong in August 2003: "I was instructed to go to Lances [sic] place by [USPS sports director] Johan Bruyneel and get some EPO from him. The first EPO I ever used was then handed me in the entry way to his building in full view of his then wife [Kristin]. It was Eprex by brand and it came in six pre measured syringes."

Landis's mention of Kristin Armstrong, who was divorced from Lance in 2004, raises the possibility that the feds will question her. But Kristin told SI in a text message, "I have not been contacted, nor am I in communication with Floyd or anyone else." As for Landis's claim that he received EPO in her presence, Kristin wrote, "I don't remember that."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/magazine/05/25/lance.armstrong/index.html#ixzz25E0V3fwS

 

[thehog]

The psychological dynamic is interesting.

In both the Landis and Hamilton cases Armstrong was "active" behind the scenes ensuring they were snared.

When caught he was telling them to "fight" so not only did they lose their title but their careers, money, families, everything.

The additional dynamic in regards to Hamilton's ex-wife is particularly sick.

What was also confirmed for me is that the UCI's use of anti-doping is not for anti-doping but "control". By allowing doping but controlling the riders through anti-doping will never set them free. By having Hamilton test positive the UCI clearly doesn't about the sports image. They just like to control who tests positive.

 

[jackwolf]

The psychological dynamic is interesting.

In both the Landis and Hamilton cases Armstrong was "active" behind the scenes ensuring they were snared.

When caught he was telling them to "fight" so not only did they lose their title but their careers, money, families, everything.

The additional dynamic in regards to Hamilton's ex-wife is particularly sick.

What was also confirmed for me is that the UCI's use of anti-doping is not for anti-doping but "control". By allowing doping but controlling the riders through anti-doping will never set them free. By having Hamilton test positive the UCI clearly doesn't about the sports image. They just like to control who tests positive.

That should make you extremely suspicious of Contador's positive. If the truth ever comes out and it's what some of us suspect, a few people will finally spend some time behind bars. Tonya Harding was an angel compared to LA, and she was capable of doing something similar or worse, so I wouldn't be very surprised.

 

[Benotti69]

The psychological dynamic is interesting.

In both the Landis and Hamilton cases Armstrong was "active" behind the scenes ensuring they were snared.

When caught he was telling them to "fight" so not only did they lose their title but their careers, money, families, everything.

The additional dynamic in regards to Hamilton's ex-wife is particularly sick.

Pure sociopathic

What was also confirmed for me is that the UCI's use of anti-doping is not for anti-doping but "control". By allowing doping but controlling the riders through anti-doping will never set them free. By having Hamilton test positive the UCI clearly doesn't about the sports image. They just like to control who tests positive.

I have made this point before that the biopassport is such a control tool. The UCI dont need a positive to exort money from teams or riders. It is the reason why most teams have teamtesting. To avoid paying the 'Man'.